rDev based on in state reviewers

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  1. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Does anyone notice how the reviews for any beer are inevitably much higher if the reviewer is from the state in which the beer was brewed? I think it would be cool if there would be some sort of metric where we could see the average of reviews from both in state and out of state. I know there are a few variables at play (freshness, shipping of beer, and "hype"), but I think most or the difference is that locals reviews are clouded from their admiration of the nearby brewery.

    A discussion of Ghandi Bot on the NE forum got me thinking more about this. 99% of the people from CT think the beer is a gift from God and the out of staters seemed to be a mixed bag. I'm from MA and I think while the beer is very solid, I don't understand the cult following.

    Just wanted to get some thoughts on this phenomenon.
     
  2. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Thoughts? Think freshness and distance beer is transported from brewery to customer.
     
  3. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    While I agree with both of those points , I think there is much more to it.
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Could be but before we can be sure the effects of those have to be accounted for. For example, I've lost track of times on here I've heard people downplay the quality of beer X who wind up having had it 3 mos old rather than 3 days old, or locally on tap. Similarly, the effects of vibration on a beer trasnsported across even a few hundred miles seems to be small but some pretty experienced people claim to have detected it.
     
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  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    When I write reviews now adays, I try to always include the date information (best by or brewed on) and price of beer and location of purchase. I just think all of that is valuable information to both myself and to other people.
     
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  6. Fujii13

    Fujii13 Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2011 New York

    The metric you are looking for here is called "homerism".
     
  7. CassinoNorth

    CassinoNorth Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 New Jersey

    Certainly. I find this apparent in the southern and midwestern states especially. The fans out there seem to find a brewery and defend it to no end. There's little objectivity when reviewing one's own state's brews.
     
  8. RblWthACoz

    RblWthACoz Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I will never forget trying Huma-Lupa-Licious on-draft in Detroit. It was so fresh that it was shocking. I could literally tell the keg was only a few days old, if no more than a week. All the bottles of it I had after that were nowhere near the same. So, based on personal experience, I agree with this statement. The vibration bit is new to me though.
     
  9. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Pooh-Bah (2,191) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    People are going to rate beers higher when they know the people who make it or feel some sort of connection to them. This isn't a news flash, this is human nature.

    The freshness factor, though, cannot be downplayed (especially for ipas). Probably as big a factor, if not bigger, than the first thing I mentioned.
     
  10. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Yep. Homerism and the fact that said homers are getting the beer fresh. add that to the fact that the majority of BAs are from the east coast, no surprise here
     
  11. Hendry

    Hendry Pooh-Bah (1,831) Mar 8, 2013 Vermont
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    I won't lie, lots of Homers on the East Coast, buy look at a beer like Jai Alai: same concept applies.
     
  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Re Vibration, no hard data but some pretty strong evidence.

    First, see best answer here:

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060918191126AAkxDgP

    Even light to moderate vibration during transit of beer causes some CO2 to come out of solution. Increased pressure in head space can result in some very slight leakage around the crown since the seal may be pretty damn good but is not necessarily 100% at the higher pressures. (One of the first things I learned about bottled carbonated beverages was that leaving the bottle sit a few days before opening allows the CO2 to be re-dissolved, reducing the possibility of gushers on opening.). Meanwhile the crown seal is not 100% perfect and with enough vibration both CO2 and some volatiles escape.

    What we smell plays a role in what flavor we pick up. Small effect, but in a post I can't find right now @sierranevadabill reports that they flew some freshly bottled beer from CA to NYC(?), opened it, sampled it, and thought there was a detectable decrease in the beer over what it had been like just hours earlier.

    Like you I've had the same beer both fresh on tap not far from the brewery and freshly bottled but several hundred miles from the brewery. So I'm willing to believe that putting a case of beer on a truck at the brewery, then transporting it 2000 miles or so across country (whether refrigerated or not ), then unloading it to the distributor's warehouse where it sits at least a day or more, then reloading it to an un-refrigerated truck that drives it stop and go over local potholes, etc. to a retailer where it is unloaded signed for and then eventually relocated to the display location where it is sitting when I buy it and finally load it into the car for my drive home, can create a slight reduction in flavor experience when I finally get to drink the beer here. :slight_smile:
     
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  13. SoCalBeerIdiot

    SoCalBeerIdiot Pooh-Bah (2,191) Mar 10, 2013 California
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    I'm no scientist (self-professed idiot here) but this makes sense to me. Kudos, too, for the longest sentence of the year. Cheers!
     
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