Brett Yeast Cake Inspiration

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  1. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois

    I am brewing a Saison with Wyeast 3711 as well as a WLP 650 Brett Brux. I was hoping to pitch another beer onto the yeast cake when this finishes in a few months. I have too questions.

    First, in your experience, if I pitch a beer onto the yeast cake, will the Brett take over this beer? I have read some homebrew blog account with some unpleasant experiences when pitched with too much Brett Brux or pitched onto Brett.

    Secondly, if this is a good idea, does anyone have a interesting saison or other recipe I could pitch onto this? My current Saison is

    8 lbs Pils
    1 lb Munich
    .5 lb Flaked Rye

    Centennial at 60 (18 IBU)
    Sazz at 15
    Sazz at 5

    Half fermenting with wyeast 3711, the other half has wyeast 3711 and a vial of the Brett Brux.

    Thanks!
     
  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Up the Rye, Brett will dry out the body and thin the mouthfeel typically, an increased Rye % (15-30 %) should balance the body out and add a subtle spice note.

    I've found late hop additions rather useless in Brett beers, even dry hopped Brett beers lose those volatiles so quickly. The Brett must metabolize those acids or something. For a Saison, I'd do a 60 min bittering addition, maybe a 30 min to add some flavor & bitterness and then dry hop if you want, but after Brett takes the beer down to near 1.000 gravity.

    As for the yeast cake, I would imagine the sacch strain cell viability would plummet after months of inactivity at fermentation temps. I think you'd get a lot of off flavors and a rather unhealthy fermentation from this method. Brett has a much longer adaptation or lag phase than sacch, so when you repitch on the cake, the sacch I would imagine would take off quick versus the Brett, but not in a good way related to cell viability.
     
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  3. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    mostly agree.
    just to add: mash in close to 150 F.
    rye and brett brux are a great pair.
    just keep your unfermentables relatively low. saisons and mouthfeel tend to not go hand in hand. i feel that saisons should taste and feel more wine-like than beer-like. crisp, dry. that's why you see table sugar added to most saison recipes - ups the alcohol, dries the beer out.
    keep the IBUs low.

    re-pitch sacc. assume most of what you have in that yeastcake is not viable.
     
  4. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Mostly agree.

    I would not keep the IBUs too low though, BU:GU in the .6 range. I have had too many Saisons (even with Brett) that have lower IBUs and they are flabby and don't finish with the bite that a Saison should have.
     
  5. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    as long as one remembers that IBU perception's amplified with brett and they bitter accordingly, then all is good.
    don't aim for an IBU of 30 and be disappoints when it's too bitter.

    but yeah. party on!
     
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  6. Droncz87

    Droncz87 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2014 Illinois

    How do people "save" the yeast cake for later use? After I bottled my first batch I noticed the cake and was curiouis.


    Thanks.
     
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