Belgian Pale Ale recipe critique

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  1. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    9 lbs Belgian pale malt
    1lb aromatic
    1lb biscuit malt

    1.5 oz Saaz @ 60
    1oz Tettnag @ 10

    Wyeast Belgian Ale #1214

    Mash a 150F

    Ferment at 69F

    Thoughts? I have never made one of these before and am shooting for about a 5.5% abv, with light to medium color and some nice noble hop goodness.
     
  2. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    Looks good, but I would cut the biscuit and aromatic each in half, personally. Maybe add a touch more tettnang if you want them to shine.
     
  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I like 3522 better for this type of beer than 1214

    I agree with chopping the specialties in half (or completely)

    You might up the late hops if you want a noticeable flavor/aroma, as nobles are much more subtle than your typical american hops
     
  4. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    I am curious why you would cut the specialty malts, what character are you trying to promote/reduce by this move? Just curious.
     
  5. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    IMO in a belgian pale all you need is a good basemalt, yeast and hops. The specialties in your case will just obscure the flavor of the yeast and the hops (however unmalted wheat is a great adjunct)

    Things like aromatic will just add a sweetness that would distract from the yeast derived flavors, while biscuit will obscure the great grainy sweetness of belgian pils.

    Unmalted wheat doesnt do either of these, instead it can help add a great amount of body and creaminess to this type of beer and wont add any unnecessary sweetness

    my favorite belgian in this theme is

    ~80% Pils
    ~20% unmalted wheat, rye, farro, einkorn, spelt, amaranth, etc, etc

    1.0oz ekg/fuggle @ 10min
    1.0oz ekg/fuggle @ KO
    bittering hop @60 to ~26IBU total

    WY3522

    this may not 100% conform to BJCP labels for a Belgian Pale, but, who cares?
     
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  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Throw some Brett on that bitch!
     
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  7. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    For me that is alot of biscuit. The aromatic is fine. I put too much Biscuit in an IPA once and was not happy with the results. My friends thought it was good. ( They tend to like free beer! )
     
  8. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    It sounds like the specialty malts are raising quite a bit of concern. If I were to replace them entirely what would be the best replacement? Wheat, rye, just go with a pound or two more of the belgian pale malt?

    Thanks for all the comments!
     
  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd say just pick one of the specialty malts, and only use 1/4-1/2#. Replace the balance with more belgian pale, or maybe some munich if you're feelin' frisky.
     
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  10. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    A pound of each is just an awful lot of specialty malt for this beer. Aromatic is a pretty powerful malt, and biscuit is pretty distinct as well. If I was brewing the beer, I would probably use 1/4 pound of each and really let the Belgian Pale malt shine.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    ^^^ This. It's very easy to overuse Aromatic. A little goes a long way.
     
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  12. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    agree with what has been stated, so maybe 9.5# bel pale ale, 1# munich, 4oz aromatic, 4 oz biscuit...personally think that maybe closer to what you're looking for. If you want more toasted, up the munich in place of the bel pale ale, but 1# seems about right.
     
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  13. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    As noted in the OP, I will be fermenting at 69F. I have not used this yeast before, does it like a higher temp?
     
  14. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I need to learn to read when not yet fully caffeinated. My bad. :slight_smile:

    start @ 69F and ramp up to mid 70s works well for 1214.
     
  15. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    Lots of good input here. After taking many of your suggestions into consideration the final recipe is as follows:

    9.5 lb belgian pale
    1 lb munich
    .25lb aromatic

    1.5 oz Saaz at 60
    1oz tettnag at 10

    Wyest 3522

    Mash at 150F

    Ferment at 69F

    Time to see how this one turns out...
     
  16. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    My BPA that is currently finishing is very similar to your last iteration (except I had no aromatic). I split the batch and pitched 3522, 3994, and DuPont yeast. So far (4+ weeks) the gravity tastings have the most distinct flavor from 3944 (peachy), second place is 3522 (lemony) and the normal stellar DuPont is lagging poorly. Also flavored a one gallon batch with "essence of habanero" (for grins) which is surprisingly decent tasting (i.e. not horrible).

    My experience: your 3522 is flexible on the ferm temps. I've started at 71 and taken it up to 75 with good results. My last couple of batches have started at 68 and finished around 72 . . . this seems like a sweeter range. My experience is it finishes in the 1.005 range and I mash around 153. Good luck with your brew.
     
  17. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    I use 5,6,7oz of Belgian Caramunich, Biscuit, and Aromatic. I forget which is which exact amount.

    I like the OP's revised recipe. 3522 will be great here.

    good luck--
    --Michael
     
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