Dry Hopping an American IPA

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  1. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I just brewed an Amemrican IPA with 9 lb 2 row, 1 lb c40, centennial for bittering, cascade for flavor, and citra for aroma. Im going for that sweet citrusy fruity style IPA. I have one ounce of each,: cascade, citra, amarillo, and falconers flight for dry hopping. What is your opinion on adding all these hops in for dry hop?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I've never used F.F. (it's actually a blend and not a single hop...I really don't know what's in it). But the others (at very least) should work well together in a 'sweet citrusy fruity' IPA.
     
  3. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    FF contains Citra, Simcoe, and Sorachi Ace, amongst some other hops. I've used it and achieved flavors/aromas between orange and melon. With a lot of it you'll get something fairly dank as well. I wouldn't say it's as good as Citra or Amarillo on its own, but it definitely ain't bad.
     
  4. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    FF is awesome as a dry hop .. used it in a few pale ales and they turned out really good.
     
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  5. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    I would say I have enjoyed it more as a dry hop versus a late kettle addition as well.
     
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    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    Agreed.
     
  7. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I heard more ppl talk about dry hopping with the hops they boiled with. Is it unethical to dry hop with different hops?
     
  8. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    I don't expect the dry hop police will come after you for this, no.

    I'd suggest something like use the FF and citra in your DH, then use the cascade, centennial and amarillo as late kettle additions. Then find something else high alpha and use that as a bittering hop (CTZ or Warrior are good picks).

    If you'd like to try to "balance your flavors" between kettle and DH you could take some of that citra and FF and add it at the end of the boil/whirlpool, but it isn't necessary IMO. Hop aromas/flavors in the kettle vs the DH are rarely the same kind of flavors anyway, so there isn't a ton of benefit to try to match kettle and DH hops.
     
  9. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    MyOG was 1.056 and after aweek its only at 1.027. It hasnt chnged in 3 days. Wat to do?
     
  10. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    You sir have a stuck fermentation it sounds for such a low starting gravity. Whats the fermentation temp ? Type of yeast ?
     
  11. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    No. The ethical constrictions regarding IPA recipes only apply to crystal malt.
     
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  12. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Heh. I'm with you, brother.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Rock Bottom conducted a late hopping experiment (in 2008 or 2009?) solely using Amarillo hops:

    Four approaches to finishing hops

    – 1 lb/bbl total per trail

    • Short – 50 mins stand in hot wort

    • Long – 80 mins stand in hot wort

    • Dry – all dry hopped

    • Half – half dry, half long stand”


    The result of the experiment was that the combination of dry hopping and end of boil resulted in:

    · Half equals or exceeds “dry” on all measures!

    · For a given amount of finishing hops:

    – Best results if you split them btw steep and dry”


    The above information is from a Ray Daniels presentation at NHC 2009.

    So, it appears that a combination of end of boil and dry hopping (using the same hop variety) yields a ‘better’ hop flavor/aroma. Does this necessarily ‘translate’ to you should use the same hop(s) at end of boil and dry hop? Beats me.

    Cheers!
     
  14. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I used White Labs California V. Started fermentation at 72 degrees for 2 days for startup then cooled it down to 68 degrees. My Krausen was not large. Did I underpitch?
     
  15. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I used White Labs California V. Started fermentation at 72 degrees for 2 days for startup then cooled it down to 68 degrees. My Krausen was not large. Did I underpitch
     
  16. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    You may have underpitched but not by a huge amount if your yeast was not too old. So, how old was the yeast?
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    And mash temp too. Had a apa I missed my mash temp on finish way high. Should have added brett.
     
  18. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    Don't recall. I just bought a yeast starter kit with DME and a flask so I don't have this problem again. Some friends said I should have pitched two vials. So am I going to have to settle with a lower alcohol brew? Any thing else I can do?
     
  19. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    As @SFACRKnight said, what was your mash temp? That can have a huge effect on fermentation. What did the hydrometer sample taste like? Are you sure your hydrometer is correct (Does it read 1.0 in water)?

    Before you try to fix this beer, I would wait another week to see what happens. If the gravity doesn't move, I would not bother with the dry hops. But, you can consider the brett suggestion from @SFACRKnight
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You're not likely to have a significantly lower alcohol beer. Underpitching can cause slower fermentation and some types of off-flavors. But unless you severely underpitched, you'll probably attain as much attenuation (or very nearly so) as if you had pitched more yeast. The important limiting factor in attenuation is fermentable sugars, not yeast count.
     
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