Infected Floyd D'Rue?

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  1. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    Can anyone comment for sure on the status of the Bruery's side of the collaboration batch with 3Floyds? I know that the 3Floyds portion of the batch is fine... but I've heard a lot of rumors about an infection (perhaps lactose) with the Bruery's bottles. I also heard that they stamped a "drink by" date on some of the bottles because of the lactose. Anyone have insights?
     
  2. nicks6217

    nicks6217 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 California

    The Bruery Beers were found to have Lacto, a souring agent not intended to be in the beer to begin with. The Bruery has issue a drink by date as a precaution to buyers. With that being said the Bruery doesn't know how long it will take for the lacto to present itself if at all.

    I've had Rue D Floyd and it was fantastic, no thinness, gushing, souring, or nail polish usually associated with infected beer.
     
  3. stakem

    stakem Grand Pooh-Bah (4,070) Feb 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What is your source of information to claim the "three floyds version is fine"? Both rue d'floyd and floyd d'rue contain lacto which might make the beer go bad. They all are intended to be kept refridgerated and consumed by 6/30.

    I drank both over the weekend. Neither of them have any current/obvious sensory indication of infection. Rue D'Floyd is pretty delicious. Floyd D'rue is pretty terrible unless you like jagermeister mixed with cough medicine.

    Is three floyds puttin their own spin on it saying theirs isnt bad so they can charge extra money and really hose you good? Or am I missing something and three floyds also brewed a version?
     
  4. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    When I was at the 3Floyds brewpub, discussion was that Rue D'Floyd was brewed in Munster, IN and Floyd D'Rue was brewed in California. Therefore only the batch made at the Bruery had the lacto issue. There is no drink by date on the Rue D'Floyd
     
  5. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Not lactose. Lacto. Short for lactobacillus.
     
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  6. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    That's what I meant... autocorrect is killing me on my threads.
     
  7. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    BOTH of the Bruery's releases have the same warning though. Their Rue D'Floyd and their Floyd D'Rue. The difference is that Three Floyd's Rue D'Floyd was aged in Munster, not in California with the same barrels that The Bruery released. That is why FFF's bottles of Rue D'Floyd are presumed NOT to be infected.
     
  8. jonandhisflask

    jonandhisflask Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Kentucky

    The versions released By Three floyds do not contain lacto, the versions released by the Bruery were found to have lacto, i have the bruery versions in the fridge now, everyone seems to say they are fine now, but a month or so after the drink by date could show signs of change. Ill find out Saturday when i open both :grinning:
     
  9. stakem

    stakem Grand Pooh-Bah (4,070) Feb 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Here is a copy of the info the Bruery released to all of its society members:

    "We are extremely excited to share our newest collaboration beers with you - Rue D'Floyd and Floyd D'Rue. This pair of barrel aged ales were brewed with the help of our friends at 3 Floyds Brewing Co. from Munster, Indiana, and are an exciting new take on the experimental beers for which both of our breweries are well known. Tickets for a release event featuring these new collaboration ales are also now on sale along with a third new beer which we lovingly refer to as Mischmishmish.

    All of these beers are tasting absolutely fantastic, but we would like to let you know that our quality control team has found lactobacillus in both of the Three Floyds collaboration releases. For those unaware, lactobacillus is a bacteria that is capable of turning a beer sour (we use it intentionally in our sour beers, but did not intentionally use it in this beer). As for this beer, it is quite high in alcohol, contains healthy brewers' yeast and is fittingly carbonated, all factors that do not make a good environment for lactobacillus to survive. It is possible that its presence will never affect the flavor of the beer, but it is also possible that it will.

    Since we love these beers and wish to share them with you, we are offering them for sale with a bit of a disclaimer: keep these bottles at refrigeration temperature (38-42 F) until you're ready to consume them and enjoy by June 30, 2014. We plan to fulfill orders of these beers from 4/23/14 through 6/30/14. If our QC department determines the beer is no longer to our quality standards before this date, we will stop fulfilling pickups of these beers and we will refund those who have not yet picked up their beer. If you consume the beer after June 30, 2014 and have found the beer has turned sour, we will not be issuing refunds. If the beer remains stable, we may choose to extend the window for pickups, but those who pick up after June 30, 2014 run the same risk. You may be an experimental type of person (hey, just like us) and want to see what happens after June 30, 2014. Feel free to do so, but please don't make us tell you that "we told you so!"

    On the plus side, we are offering these bottles at $20/bottle before your membership discount. The expense of making these two collaboration beers would ordinarily have put them into our $30/bottle category, but given the potential issue we hope lowering the price will give you more confidence in giving these beers a shot. However, given its price point and our desire for you to drink this as soon as possible, we will not be applying wax to the top of the bottle as we originally planned.

    We will continue to follow the development of the lactobacillus in these bottles and will update you on its status. We also continue to take the steps necessary to ensure our beer tastes as we intend it to (short of pasteurization or sterile filtering), and will share more on our quality assurance efforts in the near future. Until then, enjoy as soon as possible with a great group of friends."

    I know the placed "drink by" stickers on the bottles but some got out without those sticker warnings.

    Is there really another batch, aged and bottled by three floyds? If someone has a picture please share.
     
  10. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    Ah, so it was the aging, not the brewing process itself. Solid info pmoney. I thought the Bruery only released Floyd D'Rue and that 3Floyds only released Rue D'Floyd this time around. Is this incorrect?
     
  11. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Yes, that is incorrect. The Bruery released Floyd D'Rue and Rue D'Floyd. Three Floyds has only released Rue D'Floyd (with a different label than The Bruery).
     
  12. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  13. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    The Bruery's batch of Rue D'Floyd and Three Floyd's batch of Rue D'Floyd are separate. They were each brewed/barrel aged at their own brewery. There is no reason to believe anything is wrong with FFF's batch of Rue D'Floyd. That info you quoted is from The Bruery regarding their bottles.
     
  14. Dawgboned37

    Dawgboned37 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Missouri

    Yes, and it's amazing. It is getting some pretty solid trade offers in the trade forums because it will be able to be aged without risk of issue.
     
  15. nicks6217

    nicks6217 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 California



    FFF brewed a separate batch, no lacto, no coffee and no cherries for $30
     
  16. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    It would never be an issue with brewing, because boiling would kill any bacteria. Infections are always an aging issue, where beer is sitting and becomes exposed to undesired outside elements.
     
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  17. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Yes to cherries and vanilla beans. No cocoa nibs and no coffee in FFF's version.
     
  18. stakem

    stakem Grand Pooh-Bah (4,070) Feb 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, I understand that. I had no idea three floyds had their own versions.
     
  19. pmoney

    pmoney Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2011 Illinois

    Just version (singular) at this point. FFF hasn't released a Floyd D'Rue.
     
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  20. nicks6217

    nicks6217 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 California

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