Wort oxygenation by shaking - how long?

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Today was my first homebrew batch since September, and in the intervening month, I moved. Earlier today, I bought the wrong size tube for my airstone/pure oxygen system.

    I could run oxygen through the tube w/o the airstone, but my understanding is that the large bubbles just wouldn't have enough surface area with the liquid to be effective.

    That leaves me with shaking - I know shaking won't be as good as what I normally do with pure oxygen. How much shaking must I do to maximize effectiveness?

    The batch is 5 gallons of 1.048 stout, and I made an appropriate starter on a stir plate.
     
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  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    1.048...I'd just pour back and forth from kettle to fermenter several times through a strainer.
     
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  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Too late for that. I'm committed to shaking. My kettle is soaking in the sink.
     
  4. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Until you're tired, is what I do.
     
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  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    First, welcome back to the sport. According to Wyeast, 40 seconds of shaking will take you up to 8 ppm. Personally I'd give it a little bit more. And I see no problem that large O2 bubbles would inflict . . . maybe leave the headspace saturated in oxygen. With your OG and plenty of yeasties you should be fine.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    10 minutes, 20 minutes? Repeatedly over an hour?
     
  7. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    You must have lots of endurance.
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Thanks. This seems overly optimistic. (Edit: by which, I mean, I thought it was a lot longer than that, and I wasn't sure you could get it to 8 ppm). I think I'll shake for 40 seconds, intermittently for the next couple hours.
     
  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I went back and read the fine print on Wyeast's website and they do in fact recommend filling the headspace with oxygen. So I would shoot the gas to the fermentor and shake like you were mad at it.
     
  10. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    I never shook... I rocked! I would put the carboy on a thick towel and rock it for 3- 5 minutes. Of course, if your using a bucket... make sure the lid is on good :wink: I considered it my workout for the day.
     
  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    If you're using a bucket...areate the wort with a whisk.
     
  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Honestly, if youre fermenting 1048 and you have a healthy starter, I think the difference between 1 minute of shaking, 5 minutes etc. Is really not a concern. I just can't imagine you would ever know the difference. Maybe. I don't think I could.

    Make up for lost time!

    Cheers.
     
  13. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    1.048 with appropriate starter, don't bother oxygenate. From now just make sure to be on the right fermentation temp.
     
  14. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Dude from Wyeast says 45 seconds for 8 ppm.
     
  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I really like this answer. When you're tired, just grab a beer and finish clean up. :slight_smile:
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Well, I grabbed two and decided that Sunday mornings are for cleanup.

    Wish i thought to aerate the head space, though.
     
  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You mean you put the fermenter on your lap and sat with it on a rocking chair?
    Or do you mean that you turned the amp up to 11 and thrashed at it with an electric guitar ?

    In addition to shakers and rockers, perhaps there are some swingers out there. By which, of course, I mean BIABers who use their pulley to hoist their bucket fermenters and treat them like pendulums.
     
  18. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    Definitely this!!! :grinning:
     
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  19. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Here is my process for aeration, which works for me. Caveat: I don't ever make really big beers such as barley wines.

    Aeration begins when I transfer the wort into the carboy, as I let the wort fall from close to the top of the carboy.

    After the wort is transferred, I then tilt the carboy by about 30 degrees (with the curved part near the bottom still resting on a fairly soft piece of wood) and then rock it back and forth at a frequency that maximizes the sloshing of the wort. The frequency is ~ 1 Hz. I do this with a stopper in the carboy, and at 1 minute intervals I remove the stopper. Typically the first two times I remove the stopper air rushes into the carboy due to the slight vacuum created inside the carboy by oxygen being dissolved into the wort. I usually continue for 5 minutes, but from the third minute onwards there is usually no air rushing into the carboy when the stopper is removed. This tells me that typically 3 minutes is more than sufficient for aeration (while 5 minutes allows me to relax and not worry, and later have a homebrew).

    Someday I may invest in an oxygenation system, but I'm not terribly motivated to yet do it. In the past I used an aquarium pump and stainless stone for aeration, but I believe the the sloshing method to be more effective. It is also simpler with less to sanitize and cleanup afterwards.
     
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  20. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    I upgraded to the O2 wand and 2 micron stone awhile back. It REALLY makes oxygenation a breeze. At the time the .5 micron stone wasn't available mounted to a SS wand... and the wand makes it easier to control, now you can get the .5 stone. Most of the literature that I've read, (and white labs testing on O2 ppm levels, and timing) were based on a .5 stone/wand setup. If I had it to do again, that's probably the one I'd get. The only downside is that the .5 stone appears to be more prone to clogging and is harder to clean... but reportedly oxygenates better due to more surface exposure. All I know is, my 2 micron stone seems to do the job... so far
     
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