Berliner time.. Bring me your best.

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  1. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It can cause an aerobic fermentation. Where there is alcohol produced. You could have had some wild yeast get in there too.
     
  2. BeerMe2002

    BeerMe2002 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2010 Ohio

    Any issues in lautering to a better bottle since they say they are rated to 140? Was going to get one going this weekend and wondered how I would cool it down without transferring and creating o2 into the wort. Unless it will be fine going right into the BB and letting cool. Thanks.
     
  3. josmickam

    josmickam Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 Georgia

    You could use a wort chiller or a short ice bath. Or both.
     
  4. BeerMe2002

    BeerMe2002 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2010 Ohio

    Ice bath would have to be the way, I don't want to sour in a bucket. That would be the only way to use my immersion chiller. I thought @FATC1TY used a BB and wondered his process.
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I lautered into my kettle, then sparged, and collected all my wort. I didn't chill anything. I let it sit until it was around 130 and transferred it from kettle to BB.. Waited until it was under 120 and pitched the grain. Purged with Co2 and called it a day.
     
  6. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I had a question about weird fermenation. I got activity after 24 or so hours and it went about fermenting for a few days with no krausen present. I end going away for a few days over the long weekend and come back to a krausen, but no noticeable airlock activity? Anyone experience anything similar with a berliner or otherwise?
     
  7. BeerMe2002

    BeerMe2002 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2010 Ohio

    Makes sense. Thinking I will pitch the grain and just top off with seltzer water instead of transporting my tank to brew site. Eager to get this going, made one with Ecy06 a couple months ago and still not sour enough for my liking.
     
  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You'll get that white, scummy, somewhat krausen looking film when you sour it.. or are you talking about when you pitched your sacch strain?
     
  9. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Sach strain. It was like it was krausenless during peak fermentation and then it appeared suddenly when the beer was done and now it is just sitting there and not dropping
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Not sure, then. The pH could have an affect on the krausen though. Mine have taken a while to get going, once up and running it's normal, then they slow down, finish and the krausen does take a little longer to break down and go away. I cold crash it, so try that and see if it helps if you are sure the beer is done.
     
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  11. BeerMe2002

    BeerMe2002 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2010 Ohio

    If having the BB filled almost to the top, is the krauzen like film a concern for blow off? Or with minimal amounts of headspace and o2 make it not a concern?
     
  12. solo103

    solo103 Initiate (0) Apr 8, 2012 Florida

    Does oxygen on the surface help to create Aerobic fermentation? I only found a small article on it so far.
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Minimal headspace is the best, IMO.
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    That I don't know.. I know oxygen present can help it, but I can't really answer that.
     
  15. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    Just finished the boil on my first batch of Berliner. Just let it sour at room temp for a week, covered in saran wrap, only added seltzer water once mid way through the week. Never had any off smells, just basically a sour dough bread smell with a hint of grape juice? Definitely plenty sour, I hope the fermentation goes well and it turns out great.
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Sounds about like what mine have all smelled like. Slight sour dough, sweet wheat aroma. Mine have a lemon- citric aroma to them.

    Good luck with it.
     
  17. josmickam

    josmickam Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 Georgia

    I brewed yesterday.
    Pilsner, Wheat, Acid Malt with some rice hulls - and 8oz of acid malt for souring. 3 days in the carboy with a plant seed heating pad around it.
    Target Gravity 1.028 -- Original Gravity 1.024.
    I've got it in my mini freezer at 64°. I'm going out of town for a few weeks, it should be ready for secondary or even bottling by the time I get back.
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'd get it warmer.. I'm not sure 64* will get you much, even in a few weeks.

    That said- you mention bottling. Did you pitch a sach strain along with grain? I would give the lacto some time to get going, and then pitch your yeast if you are planning on not boiling.
     
  19. josmickam

    josmickam Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 Georgia

    I used US05, and the package said that it works from 59-75ish. I boiled for 60 minutes, adding tettnang hops in the very beginning. I pitched the yeast yesterday and there's some signs of fermentation already.

    It is my first berliner though, and I'm definitely open to any more suggestions to tweak it. The wort tasted great when I took the gravity sample.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    So you boiled up like you normally would any other beer, then pitched US05 and grain, and are leaving it at 64* for a couple weeks?

    If that was the case, how many IBU's did you do since you dumped them in at 60 minutes? Lacto won't work really well with high IBU's, and it won't work that well at cooler temps. Thats the reason for asking.
     
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