Sierra Nevada Oktoberfest?

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SEND IT!!! I'm down for cases!!!

 

perhaps he meant there are [only] a few [well made] malt forward beers in the us, period. The examples he listed would make that statement true

 

I almost said, "Not including stouts." Didn't think of porters. Those are different in my eyes, also we have PLENTY of those, many of which are in bourbon-barrels anyways. Probably close to as many imperial stouts are we have IPAs. While I certainly don't consider an imperial stout "hop forward" (although, Storm King anyone?) they have a large amount of hops added for balance to them. Compare this to say, a Marzen or a Quad.

Personally, when I think "malt-forward" I think Marzens, Maibocks, Doppelbocks, Dubbels....etc.

 

That we do -- including 2 examples from SN which are pretty hop-forward in themselves.

While Stouts can be malt-forward, they're not the same malt character as a good Doppelbock or Märzen. When I'm craving a Bavarian-style Märzen, a U.S. brewed Stout is no substitute.

 

I think along similar lines. If there's roasted malt in it, it's a totally different game.

 

You got it.

 

TMMFM
(T.ake M.y M.utha F.uckin M.oney)

I can't wait for this to hit shelves, dammit.

 

Everybody and their grandmother makes an Ofest/Marzen, we don't need more. There are plenty of well made traditional style beers out there.

And I'll repeat. With all the traditional Oktoberfests out there why not do one that is different, and who better than a CA brewery traditionally known for their hoppy beers. You may not like it since it's not traditional, but that's no reason not to make it.

Correct, not always, but most times. You can't deny SN is best known for it's hoppy beers, there is no arguing that.

 

Was Tumbler ever really "dead" to begin with if it was last brewed in 2013 and will be back again this fall?

 

You're becoming blue-in-the-face, and since you're the only one on this thread taking the stance, you ought to start your own "Why don't we change the name of Amber Lagers to Hoppy Oktoberfests?" thread so that you don't have to read our praises of traditional Märzens -- which you don't seem to like, so why the heck are you even following this discussion?

 

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Correct, not always, but most times. You can't deny SN is best known for it's hoppy beers, there is no arguing that.[/QUOTE]
No one would argue that. Sierra Nevada also does an excellent on the few non hoppy beers they beer. I have no doubt that SN will brew a world class Amber Lager and Oktoberfest. We always can use more world class beers in any style.

 

They've got the URL, though nothing there currently.

http://www.sierranevada.com/oktoberfest

 

Thanks Bill. Can't WAIT to buy this!

 

Stop with the amber lager stuff, it's nauseatingly redundant and not valid to my point. My entire point (in which you can't grasp) is that brewers can vary a style to their liking whether you like it or not. Brewers have made some very successful variations to traditional styles with great success, so why is the Octoberfest style exempt from these possible variations. It sounds like your theory on beer styles is clearly "stay within the lines" when today's craft beer culture is varying from that.

To make it even more nauseatingly redundant, maybe you should petition Great Lakes to change their Oktoberfest name to Great Lakes Amber Lager since that is actually a fairly hoppy Ofest that doesn't seem to fit into your guidelines.

And finally, I do like a traditional Marzen/Octoberfest, but (again) do we really need another one in the market?

 

All - beers - don't - need - to - be - "innovative."

Part of what makes your stance nauseating to me is that you feel there are already too many good Oktoberfest/Märzens on shelves and I have to wholeheartedly disagree. It's one of the styles that U.S. micros can't seem to get right; few do, most don't. With all of the raving about the good beers the U.S. is making, you'd think they would learn to walk before they run and figure out a style before they decide to innovative for the sake of.

If you feel like you're happy with what's already out there, good for you, but I can't settle for a less-than malty, overly hoppy, grainy, strangely nutty charactered Oktoberfest (and weirdly vegetal, in Great Lakes' case).

Since SN Bill has already told us that he's a big fan of traditional lagers, I don't think I have anything to worry about with the SN Okto and I'm done wasting my time arguing.

 

Correct, but there is nothing wrong with the ones that are.

Sorry it nauseates you, but that's on you. It does not make my opinion incorrect, just different than yours. I'm also happy that you feel your opinion on what a style should be trumps all those brewers and breweries that are "doing it wrong". Ultimately, you have the choice to just not buy them.

I'm happy with what is out there and what is available to me, including GL thus why I'd like to see someone try something different and maybe hop one up.

SN Bill is not the brewer, but I hope for your sake it is traditional to the style so you don't have to get upset anymore.

Cheers.

 

I would say SN prices for the most are fair or cheaper. For some reason Sam Adams here has crept up a dollar or two in the past year.

 

I am looking forward to hunting that mix pack down!

 

1) I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think you have any idea what an authentic Marzen is. There's VERY few US examples that can compete with the imports.

2) Throwing hops at a style is NOT innovative. A Marzen is malt forward, the malt is the absolute highlight of that style. The "liquid bread" characteristic is arguably displayed in this style above all others. What you're describing is an "IPL". Look no further than the forerunners of this style in Jack's Abby. Who readily admit using American 2-row is optimal, because the malt is largely buried when hops are the dominating quality in a beer. The "liquid bread" aspect would take a major backseat if make the beer hop forward.

3) In my first comment, I mentioned there are very few traditional examples. Even if "everyone and their grandmother" were producing the style, they're not doing it well.

That being said, "everyone and their grandmother" are NOT producing Marzens. They're producing hop forward beers. Not counting black, white, purple, wheat even double IPAs.....JUST American IPAs, there's 6450 in this database. There's 1100 Marzens.

We don't......need.......hoppy.......Oktoberfests.

Cheers!