Was... How To Get a Prop? Now... Questionable Trade Practices?

No. It's still only worth $16.

Problem is there's not much stuff I'm interested in trading AR for to get. It's likely that I'm not gonna like it as much as AR.

 

Don't think that's what happened. I think @PA-Michigander accepted steve's offer. If you look at the original thread, Steve was saying his original offer was still open. He also recognized and was told several times, that he was offering too much. He and PA-Mich agreed to the trade, but then, as he is wont to do, PA-Mich said he'd throw in some more on top.

I presume steve, after agreeing to the trade without the caveat of the extra brews, got nervous that the extra brews (which it doesn't appear like they were even part of the original agreement) wouldn't live up to his newfound expectations. Of course, we wouldn't have to presume if steve posted the conversation.

As an aside, who doesn't like a mystery box??? I'd tell you what my last mystery box from PA-Mich looked like, but then I'd have to kill you.

 

I met Nick pa-michigander in person at HF last week, he's a stand up guy and a seriously doubt that if there was any ambiguity involved he wouldn't have started this thread.

Add to that the evasive and hostile nature of the other party's response here, and a picture starts to 3merge

Just the way I see it.

 

So you're saying @steve423423 just Ryan Braun'ed us? If so well played sir....well played.

 

Ok first off, saying "and the. There was silence..." Sorry I'm working and doing stuff throught out the day. Second my first message (the one he got mad about) I have said I obviously miscommunicated my intentions and tried to clear it up in the second message. But here ya go people. I'll check back in a couple hours ;-)

steve423423 6/10/14
Hey hey. So Atrials release got announced and it's this coming weekend. As I didn't realize the weight (in desired) of atrial itself, I've been seeing it go 1:1 with xtras for Prop now. I'd do 2:1. (Nocturn+Atrial for the Prop) if you'd still be interested. I can double up 4:2 if ya had another one! haha with a jk xtra perhaps? Just throwin it out there!
Cheers!!

PA-Michigander 6/10/14
Wow. So you post a pre-trade and then are not happy with the agree upon trade? Wow that's really fucked up bud. I told you I would be happy to make up the difference but now you have completely soured me upon trading with you. I know the value of all bottles and would have compesated you fairly. Why agree to something and then renig upon it? That is NOT how to make friends in this community.

steve423423 6/10/14
K dude relax. All I was doing was talking about the specifics. I would have easily done all the talked about three. Just was talking it out dude. Really no need to flip out.



That's the only two messages I sent before getting crucified haha as I said even in the first message, I'd throw in JK extras anyways. Which would make 3 bottles.. Which is what was discussed in the first place. Sorry I misphrased my intentions. Didn't mean for such hardcore miscommunication. I do feel bad that someone was left very unhappy and would like to make it up.

 

Yup. So you did exactly what he said you did. I know what I need to know. I do appreciate you sharing the conversation. Thanks and good luck. Cheers.

 

yup. Prosecution rests. Apparently in addition to being a bad trader, Steve is also not the sharpest knife in the drawer as he just sank his own battleship. Case closed

 

This situation sucks and couldve been handled better but does it really warrant calling this guy a 'POS' , 'bad trader' , and blowing up all his other ISOs ? No one is out any bottles, doesnt look like addresses were exchanged, and the feedback system wasnt used. Im not defending the guy but I see posts of people sending whales and getting nothing in return pretty frequently on here and FB groups almost weekly if not daily. I think the call out thread was warranted by michigander but the crusaders with pitch forks took it to a new level, IMO.

 

It seems @PA-Michigander wants this one to go quietly into the abyss so I'll say this and move on. Steve clearly, based upon the posted conversation, "attempted" to change the deal. No doubt a trade was agreed to and no doubt Steve tried to change. That's frankly not cool.

On the other hand, he seems like he feels bad, was willing to continue with the trade, and appears to understand the problem here. Certainly understand why PA-Mich wouldn't do so. Hope this is a "lesson learned" issue here. There is a culture of value traders who constantly seek to maximize every ounce of every bottle they ship out. And that culture is likely very successful in getting what they want due to the sheer diversity of the overall community. To each their own...

There is another culture of traders who truly try to advocate for beer and for each other. They trade mostly to try new things, and to share things they have access to with everyone else. They establish relationships, help set up mutually beneficial connections amongst traders, they send boxes with WTF aspirations, and shockingly, they end up with WTF boxes. PA-Mich was instrumental in my becoming what I hope to be a member of the latter group.

My advice is to choose a path and stick with it. It is very unlikely you can go the first route and end up in the second.

Cheers and good luck!

 

Agreed. My bad if I helped take this overboard. I was just looking for an explanation. And honestly I'm glad I got one. Trying to change the parameters of a trade after it's agreed upon is a dick move in my book and I wouldn't want to deal with someone who did this. Bad Trader? Depends on how you define it. Everyone does that differently. I will leave this thread alone now. I honestly hope both guys get the bottles they're looking for in the end though. Cheers and good luck.

 

I honestly wouldn't trade with either of these guys. It may seem like Steve is unreliable but if PA-Michigander posted his complaint before hashing it out via BM to its conclusion that is unfortunate as well. Michigander could have said everything in private and wait for it to play out before creating a shit storm. It seems like he was attempting to force the trade to happen via public shaming, which is fine if the situation warrants, but it seems like it could have been worked out via BM by the way the messages seemed to have been playing out.

 

Perhaps that is too reasonable for this rabble though. It seemed to give them something to do with their day.

 

You no read so good. Happen to best of us?

 

Anybody who wouldn't want to trade with PA-mich pays zero attention to what he does on the trading/BIF forums on almost a daily basis. I've never traded with him but I freaking hope I get to someday.

 

What are you referencing specifically?

 

I believe he is an excellent trader from everyone jumping to defend him and back him up. It just seemed manipulative on his part when it could have been hashed out in private according to the messages that were posted happening between them. I'm not fond of creating a situation when it may not have been needed.

 

I honestly don't believe he did this to have everyone jump up and defend him, he did it because the rest of us want to know about this stuff so we can choose to avoid traders like this

 

The trade never actually went through so no one lost out on any beer. I think he could have taught Steve the ethics of trading via BM and avoid calling out the villagers with torches. I think once Steve didn't go through with the trade then a call out would have been warranted. It seemed like Steve was going to honor his commitments once PA pointed out the issue according to the posted messages between them. If you don't agree so be it. Threads like this don't help spread the beer advocacy so many here claim to espouse.