First Brew Ever (pics)

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  1. 4day

    4day Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2014 California

    Curmudgeon,
    I can tell by your enthusiasm that your life has just changed. Brewing will be on your mind at all times. Your performance may decrease in all others areas of your life but you will create incredible beers. Welcome to a community of the most diverse and helpful people on planet earth. Cheers my friend
     
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  2. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Thanks, 4day. I can't deny it, I'm pretty hooked. Haven't even bottled my first batch and I'm already looking up German Hefe recipes for batch #2.
     
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  3. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Am I crazy? Isn't steeping grains for 30 minutes @ 160F considering mashing?
    When I "mash" for my berliner I'm just holding 6lbs of grains at 145F for 45 minutes. It's in a paint strainer bag, not too different from a muslin bag. What's the difference?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It is if there is a base malt as part of the grist, providing enough enzymes to convert starches to sugars/dextrins. Biscuit is not such a base malt. It has very little enzymes.
     
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  5. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. So if I understand correctly:
    The enzymes from the base malt in the grist will convert the starches of the biscuit malt to sugars. The biscuit malt alone does not have enough enzymes to convert a significant amount of its starches to sugars. So steeping biscuit malt in water will give you some flavor but no additional fermentables.

    So now I have to ask, what about steeping it in extract?
     
  6. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Extract has already gone through a boil which denatures the enzymes required to make the conversion, so that wouldn't work.
     
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  7. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Awesome, thanks guys. I love learning about homebrewing here.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. Or actually, because biscuit is weakly enzymatic, there would some fermentables from conversion, but not a lot. It will also give you some unconverted starch, which you may not want.
     
  9. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    jivex5k, I was thinking the same thing when people posted about that for the biscuit malt I used. I still need to read up on mashing but here's some good info from "How to Brew":

    Steeping:
    Mashing:
    I guess the 3oz of biscuit malt I steeped, technically should've been mashed. It seems that 3oz is a small enough amount that it won't make too much of a difference though.
     
  10. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    After 3 weeks in the fermenter at about 70F, I racked and bottled my Belgian Pale Ale today.
    Some numbers:
    OG: 1.071 (was meant to be 1.052)
    FG: 1.021 (was meant to be 1.012)
    ABV: 6.56% (meant to be around 5.5%)
    Amount: 4.6 - 4.7 gallons (should have been 5 gallons. I boiled off some and didn't compensate.)

    Observations:
    Not sure if this is significant but the lid on my fermenter was bowing upward due to CO2 pressure for most of the fermentation period. About 4 days ago however, I checked on it and it was bowing downward (inward). Because it was almost done with 3 weeks of fermentation, I didn't think anything of it. I took a whiff too and the sweet and malty smell had turned to a boozy smell.

    I got all my gear cleaned and sanitized and brought the fermenter upstairs for racking. I took the lid off and.....BOOM! the booze odor almost knocked me on my ass. Not good! Panic and disappointment hit me. It gets worse. I took a gravity reading and drank some of the sample. Loads of alcohol and a massive fusel smell. Burnt my nose. :slight_frown:

    For practice and for a possibility that things will change or I'm a bad taster, I decided to get my priming sugar ready and bottle anyway. Two weeks from now, I'll refrigerate a few and try'em.

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  11. elchicodelgado

    elchicodelgado Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Texas
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    I'm no expert as I've only brewed a few batches, counting the watermelon wheat I started today, but I wouldn't freak out at this point. I hated the taste of my pumpkin beer I did last fall when I sampled on bottling day but it turned out sooooooooooo good. I bet it tastes just fine and congrats on your first batch!
     
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  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You'll find that every beer has a peak. There are trends here:

    Generally low ABV beers peak quickly (3-6 weeks)
    Generally high ABV beers peak slowly (6+ months)
    Generally a high hop charge, especially with late hops, makes a high ABV beer very palatable early in the beers life (4-8 weeks)
    Hop forward beers are generally best within 6 months
    Big beers like RIS, Barleywines, Old Ales, are best from 6 months to 2+ years.
     
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  13. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    First of all, congrats on getting your first brew fermented without major issues :slight_smile:

    Did you check with your Hydrometer to see whether or not the beer had finished fermenting? 1.021 is pretty highf for something like this. Not saying that it isn't finished (I had a pale ale that died at 1.020 and wouldnt get any lower no matter what), but did you take a measurement over a couple of days, or just once off?


    Hahahaha, I remember doing this with my first couple of brews also. You probably just got a face full of Carbon Dioxide, which has a very strong woozy effect.

    Being a Belgian ale, you are likely to get some strong smells out of the fermentor, so I wouldn't nessicarily worry about it too much at this stage. With this yeast, I don't think fermenting at 70F is really a problem at all.


    One of the major things that I have learnt is that the warm & flat beer out of the fermentor tastes nothing like the chilled and carbonated product that you will sample in a few weeks time.
     
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  14. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    elchicodelgado, thanks for the encouraging words! Much appreciated! Good luck with that watermelon wheat.

    I should have taken two readings to be certain. I only took one out of laziness. The beer was fermenting in my basement. It was heavy and Olive Oyl has bigger arms than me. My basement is very dusty too (tisk tisk). Basically, I didn't want to open the fermenter in that environment. I also did not want to carry it up stairs, take a reading and then bring it back down. I know that taking two readings is the way to be certain that fermentation has completed but I risked it as it had been in the fermenter for three weeks. You're right to mention that and I do appreciate the input.

    That's what I'm hoping for!

    This is great to hear!

    Guys, I really appreciate the feedback. Thank you!

    I'll be trying the first one in a couple weeks and report back. I think Orval is the closest beer to the one I'm trying to brew. I'm going to buy a couple of them and have my wife pour an Orval and pour one of my homebrews and do a blind taste test on both. I haven't had an Orval in about 10 years probably so it should be a fun test. I bet I'll be able to tell just by looking as the Orval will be a lot clearer than my homebrew but it'll still be fun.
     
  15. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Ok, in that case I'd be carefull, as you may have bottled it before it was fully finished fermenting. Being in the fermentor for 3 weeks at 70F would make me think that it should be finished, but bottle bombs are scary (and dangerous), so just to be certain I would do the following:
    - Take a bottle and drink/pour/whatever half of it, and put the remainder in a sanitised soft-drink bottle or something with a screw-cap lid.
    - Place the bottle somewhere warm, preferably 77-80F
    - Every time you walk past the bottle, give it a good shake (and release any gas present)
    - In a week or so, open this sample and make another hydrometer reading.

    If you reading is close to the FG, then you're fine and don't need to worry.
    If you FG is down to close to ~1.012, then you have some potential bottle-bombs on your hands, and you either need to release some of the pressure or get them refridgerated (once carbed) asap.
     
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  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    If you like Orval, you need brett by the way..
     
  17. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    machalel, that's a nifty tip. Thank you for that. That's exactly what I'm going to do.

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    And, FATC1TY, thank you for the heads up on the Orval. I was actually just trying to find a commercial equivalent to what I was making (Belgian Pale Ale). I'm sure there are many variations with different profiles so it's tough to do. Just thought a blind tasting would be fun. My ingredients are posted at the top of the thread. If you (or anyone) knows what my homebrew should resemble, I'd love to see suggestions. Again, what my homebrew should resemble. I'm fully aware that my first homebrew will be far off anything being sold out there. Thanks again!
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just FYI, Orval is far from a typical Belgian Pale Ale. Palm or De Koninck would make for a more meaningful comparison.
     
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  19. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Palm or De Koninck. Noted. I'll search them out. Thank you VikeMan!
     
  20. Mikus

    Mikus Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Don't fret the taste/smell of the slightly warm/non-carbonated brew on bottling day. I recently had a Rye IPA that smelled like jet fuel when I opened the fermenter (albeit only momentarily), and after 10 days in the bottles was excellent. Congrats on an excellent first brew (I hope), and cheers to a new homebrewer.
     
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