Growing Cascade hops, some hops seem to be "popping"?

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  1. BigDaveLB

    BigDaveLB Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2013 California

    This is my first season growing Cascade hop plant's. They have been doing great as I got them in the ground early since I live in Southern California. My problem is, some very developed cones look fine one day, the next day they look super dry, brown and mostly gone. What gives? Am I waiting too late to harvest? I figured that mid-July was a bit early and they don't appear to have a ton of lupilin and are still quite spongy to the touch. I have been watering daily as it has been hot. Any thoughts? Thanks!
     
  2. bcoyle

    bcoyle Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2011 Massachusetts

    I would look for any type of insects that might be causing them to dry up. Aphids might be the first cause, did you see any ants or lady bugs on your plants? First year growth hops will not always do well, usually need to wait to the second or third growth for them to really develop. I am in Mass so the climates are drastically different, hops actually prefer my longitude as opposed to yours, so temperature and sun exposure might be the cause as well. How much sun do they get?
     
  3. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I would not take that article as information from an expert. You can plant seeds, sure. They will be nothing like the plant they came from. Breeders have thousands of crosses in their program, and then cull them down until maybe one in 10000 make it into production. A random seed may not grow well, may be susceptible to pests or blights, may not yield well, or may not make good beer.

    You buy rhizomes and plant them if you want to have hops of the same flavor and aroma. Hops of a certain variety are all of the same DNA. Apples are the same way, they do not come from the seeds, but from scions grafted on a tree, so a given apple variety is all the same DNA.

    In the Yakima Valley they can get up to 80% of yield on a first year hop. Soil, sun, irrigation, and know how of the growers. For the rest of the country, yeah we get better yields in later years.
     
  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Two possibilities:
    1) Rot
    No need to water every day.
    You're killing them with kindness.
    Water deeply once a week.

    2) Downy mildew
    Prognosis: Poor
    Treatment: GreenCureĀ® fungicide
     
  6. BigDaveLB

    BigDaveLB Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2013 California

    It is very inconsistent, so highly doubt rot, fungus, or insects. I'll take some pictures. ASAP
     
  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Some browning of the cone tips (bracts) may mean they're ready to harvest
     
  8. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    They aren't going to go from spongy to dry overnight. It takes a few weeks.

    My 3rd year Cascades here in Southeastern PA are probably only a week or two away from being ready to harvest. They are starting to get crunchy. Just like last year, my Nuggets are way behind them, the cones are barely formed.
     
  9. BigDaveLB

    BigDaveLB Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2013 California

    [​IMG] Picture of what is happening. Also, it has been super hot and dry here. Kinda thinking they are just drying out?


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  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I'm not seeing anything wrong with the cones.
     
  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    If you peel apart the cone, are they full of the yellow sticky powder that is the lupulin? If so, and the cones are papery, I would go ahead and harvest them. After all, any harvest from a first year plant is gravy. More important is just that it did well establishing it's roots.
     
  12. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    In the 2nd pix, u can see an immature burr above the more fully formed cone. Even the more mature one looks a few weeks from harvest...patience, grasshopper : )
     
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  14. BigDaveLB

    BigDaveLB Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2013 California

    The 1st picture was of the healthy cones, the second picture has one that was a lot bigger and then disappeared minus s few brown leaves. Next to it is a healthy cone. I am pretty convinced it's the heat out here. Thanks for everyone's input! I really have a huge batch, so much for not getting much the first year! I am pretty excited to harvest and brew. I think I will wait a fee more weeks at least though.
     
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