Oak- Source, toast, and flavor profiles

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  1. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Does anyone have a comprehensive list or personal experience regarding the
    Nationality of oak, the toast and specific flavor profiles? We can probably add the cutting; cubes, spirals, chips, powder, etc.
    I know (think) chips and powder impart their stuff quicker than cubes. I think I would prefer cubes, maybe spirals.

    I am looking for the most vanilla and cocoanut.
     
  2. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

  3. NHLakesBrewer

    NHLakesBrewer Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2008 New Hampshire

  4. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Thanks, I will look through those when I have a nice block of time.

    Thanks, I will download that one. I do not listen to the Sunday session (not sure why, just never on my radar) but I will grab that one.
     
  5. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    I really like the vanilla/coconut character of Cigar City's White Oak Jai Alai. On the advice of the brewer, Wayne Wambles, I picked up some light toast white oak spirals from The Barrel Mill (their supplier...they sell bigger packages of their spirals, but you can buy 2-packs from Barrell Mill at other sources online). Wayne said that the key to using the white oak for its toasty/coconut/macaroon characteristics is aging on the spirals at low temperature (in the 30s). He said that, at higher temps, you tend to get more of a dill flavor. About 6-8 days. I just now got a chest freezer so that I can keep temps that low, so I'll be giving a white oak IPA a try shortly.
     
  6. beesy

    beesy Pundit (801) Jul 21, 2010 Ohio

    From the research I did, it's said Hungarian is the nationaity that will impart the most vanilla profiles, followed by American. You are right on about they chips and powder, they will impart flavor faster, but since they are nearly uniform in toast, you may not get the complexity you will out of cubes or spirals. Ive used Hungarian cubes with great success and want to get a few spirals to use in some sours.
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    This episode probably gets my vote as the most informative beer podcast ever.
     
  8. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Glad to see Shea getting recognition on the beer side as well...two threads in two days with him. He's pretty much a demi-god in my book.

    To the OP, as said, you're mainly looking more towards toast levels & oak origins for these traits than the form of the oak. Hungarian & French are going to get you the smoothest with lower levels of lactones present. It sounds like you would want to be on the lighter side regarding toast levels.
     
  9. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Yes and yes.
    Between reading natanjohnson's links and listening (partway, not done yet) to NHLakesBrewer I have a much better understanding of toast levels and nationality.

    I am leaning toward light american and med+ french mix.

    Thanks for the links to the info and for everyone who posted their knowledge.
     
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