What the hell man?! (Over-carbonated beer)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Lordhelmit, Jul 29, 2014.

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  1. LagersAndAles

    LagersAndAles Devotee (397) Nov 23, 2013 Connecticut

    Cavalry brewing in CT started having frequent issues with over carbonation before they closed down. They used to be pretty good, but things really started to slide in their last couple of years.
     
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  2. Jeffries55

    Jeffries55 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2013 New York

    The pic was after a couple minutes, and I even tried pouring at a 45 with the bottle directly against the glass on the second pour... insane amounts of head, but unlike the OP I did not have beer coming out my nose!
     
  3. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I would suggest you also respectfully converse with the brewery if at all possible. The information you shared with the store might never get to them, and assuming the brewery is interested in quality they would want to investigate further to see if yours is an isolated case or more widespread. The store has already made good on the money end, so you can tell the brewery there's no need for further recompense.
     
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  4. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Exact same as me. I let it rest for a solid 20 minutes to see if it would settle down; I changed glassed; everything. Every subsequent pour, though, yielded tons of foam. And, of course, when you hazard to take a gulp over over-carbed beer, you get so much foam you really can't make out the flavors correctly (not to mention getting some wicked gas/burps)!
     
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  5. EgadBananas

    EgadBananas Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2009 Louisiana

    Head pressure shouldn't be much of an issue unless you have excessive headspace in your bright tank. If you aren't filling your bright tanks completely, keep the pressure at 12psi, not 15. What style beers are you packaging that 2.78 vols is a screamer? Typical ale vols are 2.50-2.70, so getting that sucker down a few vols should take only 10-15 minutes. If a 2.78 is the trouble maker at your brewery, that's where I wanna work :grinning:
     
  6. MaltLickyWithTheCandy

    MaltLickyWithTheCandy Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2013 Maryland

    I brewed an IPA once and when i poured, it was 75 percent head. Apparently i put too much priming sugar in it. That can be a problem with bottle conditioned beers.
     
  7. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    And next to a 360 controller at that.
     
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  8. DelMontiac

    DelMontiac Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 Oklahoma

  9. DelMontiac

    DelMontiac Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 Oklahoma

    And that is how a customer becomes a regular.
     
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  10. Roxie_B

    Roxie_B Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2014 Alabama

    This one was all my fault but I feel your pain ( I am not photogenic but spouse felt that my look of distress and puzzlement was worth documenting):
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  11. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    barrel aged stout.
     
  12. EgadBananas

    EgadBananas Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2009 Louisiana

    Fair enough. That is pretty high for a BA stout. What brewery do you work for?
     
  13. Lordhelmit

    Lordhelmit Initiate (0) May 13, 2014 North Carolina

    Ey time for another update only cause I took y'all advice about politely messaging the brewery and seein what happened. I messaged them shit man maybe 2 weeks ago from their site. Just finally got a reply:

    "First of all I deeply apologize for your unfortunate experience with our Caboose Oatmeal Stout. I want you to know that we stand behind our product 100% and will send you a fresh bottle of the Stout immediately. I know this was not your intention, but I want to assure you that it IS my complete intention to win you over as a fan of American! So please accept our sincere apology and enjoy a 22 on us!

    Just so you know, that product was recalled by myself and our North Carolina distributor because it is out of date and not at it's peak freshness. Sometimes a few bottles fall through the cracks and this seems to be one of those instances. Again, I deeply apologize on behalf of our distributor for missing this particular bottle.

    Please respond with your mailing address so I can get you some fresh Stout ASAP. And thank you so very much for reaching out to notify us of the problem. We greatly appreciate any chance to win you back as a loyal fan of American Brewing Company!"

    It is nice that they are so willing to reconcile. Thank you BA for the suggestion. :slight_smile:
     
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  14. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

  15. DrunkMcGruff

    DrunkMcGruff Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2013 Michigan

    I've had this happen only twice in almost 8 years of drinking craft beer. Jolly Pumpkin Bam Noire and Clown Shoes Luchador En Feugo.
     
  16. epyon396

    epyon396 Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2014 Pennsylvania

    This actually happened to me tonight with a bottle of Jolly Pumpkin Calabaza Blanca. My buddy also bought a bottle and his did the same (his was a few weeks ago, though).

    Foamed all over my desk at work. I need to get rid of any incriminating odors and/or stains.
    Night shift has its perks :wink:
     
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  17. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    People should take note of this. While this response downplays in some ways the seriousness of the situation by reporting factually, I can summarize it this way, and this is almost certainly the case with the beer OP bought. They ended up with underattenuated beer because they tried to save money by underpitching, tried to save money by not letting the beer fully attenuate the requisite amount of time a beer needs, and either tried to save money or tried to reward an untried local yeast supplier and used yeast that was (despite the claim of no infection) infected. Infections don't have to be the yucchy tastes awful kind, they can be the kind that is outmuscled in the fermenter but can eat more fermentables than the desired yeast, and continue to do so in bottle after the desired yeast go dormant, and don't produce tart garbagey off flavors.

    If this happens to you, it is a sign that the brewery whose beer you purchased needs to stop being cheap and pitch properly, and wait the proper time for the beer to be ready. Beer tells you when its ready, and this doesn't change even if your fermenter schedule says different.
     
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  18. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    I wouldn't say it is by trying to save money. It is more than likely a lack of training issue than anything else if the problem is under attenuation. A lot of small breweries don't do yeast counts or viability tests, or don't know how much dissolved oxygen is in their wort, or don't know the pH at each stage. No one is saying "I'll save money if I under pitch and then I will rush the beer out." In our case, it was a lack of training. We now have that problem taken care of. I would venture to say that most breweries go through this exact problem at some time unless they are hiring a well-educated brewmaster.

    As for our yeast lab problem, that wasn't a small, local lab. It was a large supplier (Not Wyeast or White Labs, for the record) that I would guess got overwhelmed with orders and tried to rush. Several breweries that I know of that use the supplier ended up a with some type of problem about 6 months ago. Many of them didn't/haven't realized that their problems could be traced back to the lab and continue to try to fix problems that are out of their control. Sadly, these breweries will likely get bit again by the same problem. I have done my part to try to warn my colleagues.

    One last thing that can cause gushing is actually the malts that are used. We have seen malt on one occasion from a large maltster that was questionable about whether or not it had fursarium, which can lead to a toxin which can cause gushing. This problem is much less likely, but shouldn't be ruled out completely. In this case, it is not something that most small brewers know to look for.
     
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  19. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Wow, I had never heard of fusarium. Did a search, and just wow. Masked fusarium with Deoxynivalenol oligoglycosides? Gushing or bottle bombs? Gakk.

    Great info on factors that contribute to perfect beer. I hope all who read it realize how hard it is to guarantee great beer on a consistent basis, how many factors contribute.
     
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  20. Highbrow

    Highbrow Pooh-Bah (1,770) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    HA! i have a whole case of these f'ers - every single one thus far does that. thinking about trying to sell the remainders to the fire department. fire extinguishers!!
     
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