The Bruery: explain how they've done it.

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Orca, May 31, 2012.

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  1. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    OK, just curious. I happened to like it but couldn't drink more than 12 ounces of it.
     
  2. domtronzero

    domtronzero Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2007 California

    Yah, sours are one of my favorite styles, and Mother Funker (along with Oui Oui, SitR, and a couple others recently produced) were downright terrible. I think the Bruery hit their peak with sours when they were producing BW XII, Wanderer, etc. Those were fantastic beers, but lately their sours are all taking on a Heinz vinegar taste that just doesn't do it for me.
     
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  3. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Huh, I loved Oui Oui. I'm also not really sure that Wanderer is better than, say, Jacobins Rouge (or either of ISO:FT or Marron Acidife).
     
  4. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Feel free to send all of your unwanted Mother Funkers to Warren, OH. :grinning:

    It does seem to be a very polarizing beer, but I have loved it each time I tried it (about 4 or 5 times now). My teeth might disagree with me, though.
     
  5. domtronzero

    domtronzero Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2007 California

    ISO:FT and Marron Acidife were only slightly better than Mother Funker. Very slightly.

    I am immediately turned off from a beer as soon as I smell acetobacter, and I have a pretty good nose when it comes to detecting it.
     
  6. DavoleBomb

    DavoleBomb Pooh-Bah (2,277) Mar 29, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Mother Funker might as well be labeled as vinegar. That said, I liked it, but it wasn't a very good sour beer overall.
     
  7. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I don't know that they're all that much more successful than any number of other small, quality brewers, are they? They're doing well, sure. They were in the right place (Orange County, which like most of the greater L.A. areas was a craft beer desert till a couple years ago), with the right product (sours and other unique beers) at the right time (in the midst of the second (or maybe third) wave of the craft beer boom, at a time when the DIPAs and stouts that drove growth for some of the earlier brewers were becoming old hat and people were seeking out new flavors from sours etc). But I dunno if their story is really much different than a couple dozen others: brewery makes good beer, people buy, brewery expands.
     
  8. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Can you name a couple dozen others that have reached The Bruery's level of success in their first 4 years? I don't think many have risen as quickly. And that's the main thrust of my post. Sure, you can point to lots of breweries that are successful, but it seems they've generally taken a lot longer to get there.
     
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  9. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina

    Making some of the most reliably best beer. Every single Bruery beer ive had have been better than good. Its really that simple. When your making some of the better beer in CA, youre bound to expand insanely quickly. They probably sold over some great people (like Mother Earth sent their lineup to the Bros here at BA, and have gotten some attention).
     
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  10. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Well, that's kind of why I put the question mark at the end of my sentence: "I don't know that they're all that much more successful, are they?" The question mark means that I'm asking you to provide info.

    Since you're the one asserting that they are so much more successful than everyone else, maybe you can provide some points of comparison. Are we talking sales? Awards? Production capacity? Market penetration? What?

    Once we know what your criteria are, maybe we can look at where Stone, Firestone, Lagunitas, Russian River, Alpine, Ballast Point, 21st Amendment, Drakes and some of the others who've started up in California in the last couple decades where in their fourth or fifth year.
     
  11. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    hmm, different tastes and all that jazz but I agree with Stupac for the most part. Though I didn't care for Mother Funker (I want to try it again, I had it during a nice breakfast the first time), I feel Marron Acidifie is better than ISO:FT and wanderer. Oui Oui I thought was great. SitR is decent, IIRC it need more carb. Otoise is decent, and Sans Pagaie is amazing (my favorite sour I have had of theirs, haven't had BW XII).
     
  12. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Oh. Now you want to get into a facts-based discussion. :slight_frown:

    Unfortunately I don't have ready access to info about where given breweries were in terms of production, distribution, sales etc. at their fourth anniversaries. But just looking at current market penetration (source: seekabrew), The Bruery is already ahead of every other brewery you mentioned except Lagunitas (founded 1993) and Stone (founded 1996). I realize this tells only part of the story, as production/sales are also major factors—perhaps the most important factors.

    Bottom line though, my OP is talking more about overall "success," which is just as much about perception, attention received, BA buzz etc. as cold hard sales data. One could point to Hill Farmstead as another overnight success—but I'd disqualify them from the analogy simply because of how hard their beers are to get, unless you happen to live in Vermont.

    I'd welcome any info about 4th-year sales/production numbers if anyone has access to that, as that data would shed more light on whether The Bruery's success is more perception or reality.
     
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  13. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    You're suppose to take a firm, uninformed, ANGRY :angry: stance on the matter! Haven't you learned anything on BA? This is serious business!
     
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  14. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I hope you don't expect me to read that.
     
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  15. diesel59

    diesel59 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 New York

    I tried their "White Oak" and all in all it was pretty good... but, for $16.99 a bottle it left a very bad taste in my mouth................
     
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  16. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    2 Words. BLACK TUESDAY They were an exciting start up, approachable, knowledgable, and they were in, well... a brewing wasteland. But BT put them seriously on the map. And to all the haters, BT is still one of my top 3 drinking experiences in my life. Better than Dark Lord, Darkness, Founders IS, Imp St Trooper BA Rasputin, Black Ops, and many others. And if you get a chance at a fresh barrel of the Chocolate Rain version of BT--ahhh, oops, I think I'm chubbin'. Anyway, the BUZZ really started there.

    Then the genius move of the RS. Just like Costco (and Price Club before), once you get a customer to buy a membership, there is a subconcious inclination to purchase there first. It reinforces customer loyalty. And the company gets an interest free infusion of cash--thus expand your operations, including barrel aging capacity. More barrel aging, higher price beers. It is genius. Now I am not a fan of everything they do, but they are adventurous, atre constantly seeking collaborations, and they really specialize in Belgians & sours. There has been big growth in this sector of Beer Geekdom. So they are positioning them selves really well for continued growth over the next few years.
     
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  17. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    I agree, as a fan of the Bruery, many of their beers seem overpriced to me too.
     
  18. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2010 Illinois
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    I smell a dance off to prove who is right and who is wrong!!
     
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  19. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Classic!!! Cut 'im Yam!!!
     
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  20. drgarage

    drgarage Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2008 California

    I've actually only had one of their sours that I really loved, which was Tart of Darkness. Wanderer and Marron are both good but no better than lots of shelf Belgians. Sans Pagaie is OK, but it was put to shame by every other cherry sour I had at a big tasting yesterday, including Cisco's Monomoy Kriek.
     
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