Local Fresh Hop Beers

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  1. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I'm not a brewer or fresh hop history expert, but my sense is that the trend went from an all fresh hop formulation towards using dried hops for bittering and saving the fresh hops for late additions and/or dry hopping. Some brewers still may be purists, but between the potential for vegetal flavors and the volume of fresh hops used vs. dried due to the extra moisture content, it seems a consensus has formed/is forming that the best impact is achieved by saving them for the latest additions. If I'm talking out of my ass, please correct me.

    @yeasterbunny, thanks for the info! If you decide to let a case of bottles slip outside Portland, you have an enthusiastic consumer in Bend. Thought last year's FH Workhorse was sublime, and I'm a fan of anyone who recognizes the special je ne sais quoi of a well done fresh hop beer.
     
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  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    If memory serves, I tried one or two of the Work Horse versions you made last year at the Portland fresh hop fest. While you could definitely tell that they were made with fresh hops, and while the beers were good, I ultimately decided that I preferred the regular version of WH.

    As for the organic goodness IPA, it was a combination of factors (had to look at my notes). The beer delivered a lot of flavor and a lot of fresh hop character, in a surprisingly low abv. package I thought. The beer came across as fairly light, clean and crisp, with nice "zingy" bitterness on the finish. The beer had just the right amount of malt (for me) to balance the hoppy bitterness, and there seemed to be something of caramel flavor that was intriguing (and enjoyable). Shrug. It was a nice beer and it would be nice to see it again, but Laurelwood has (and continues) made a lot of good stuff over the years. Maybe a more realistic qustion would be whether you've considered making a fresh hop version of the Megafauna. The regular batch is incredible, so I can only imagine how incredible a fresh hop version would be.
     
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  3. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I've noticed over the past few years that my favorites have been the lower gravity beers, favoring Pales over IPA's. Could just be the specific beers I've had access to, but maybe the subtleties of fresh hops are better showcased with a little lighter alcohol/malt character? I'd still love to try a FH Megafauna or Green Mammoth, though, and I know a few people for whom Bale Breaker's Piled High is their favorite beer of all time.
     
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  4. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Fresh hop Myrtle was my jam last year.
     
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  5. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I agree entirely (after all, I started a whole thread suggesting that fresh hop beers should be their own style)... as long as you mean that the brewer is doing it wrong, and not the consumer. As far as I know, there's basically only one correct way to drink a beer, and gravity is doing most of the work.
     
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  6. yeasterbunny

    yeasterbunny Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2007 Oregon

    Ha! yes, correct, if the brewer has to talk about where and when the hops went in to let the drinker know it is a fresh hopped beer, then what's the point (i.e., the brewer is doing it wrong).

    I remember that thread. I was going to post and say something similar to my comments here but the conversation got to silly before I had a chance. This is of course just my opinion. People can make these beers anyway they want, but I know what I am looking for in these beers and when I find it.
     
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  7. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    @draheim that thread really reinforced my belief that it's pointless to try and talk about fresh hop beers outside the NW (yet). The cultural and agricultural aspects aren't widely known elsewhere, so if they do see one it's a light novelty but nothing more significant. I'm pretty sure there aren't enough fresh hop beers anywhere else to justify it's own festival, but we have them. There's a really cool story to be told about these beers, but even in the NW I don't think it's celebrated enough, and while it's not really necessary that the whole country has awareness I think fresh hop beers should be more respected.

    Having recently learned that there is some historical justification for using the term "fresh hop" in Sierra Nevada's crazy way, I still think it's important to get the word out about true fresh/wet hops as a beer ingredient to make it clear how ridiculous that stance is and educate drinkers on the difference.
     
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  8. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    It's sad that pumpkin beers pretty much overshadow fresh hops.

    [sigh]

    Oh well, more for me.
     
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  9. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Part of me is happy to be in on the "secret" about these beers, but I don't think I'd lose anything if they became more widely known and appreciated locally.
     
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  10. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I also get the impression that people outside Cascadia (and maybe California) don't have any idea what the hell we're talking about here. It seems like you and Draheim were talking to a (midwest/east coast) brick wall in that thread.

    Fresh Hop season is the best season of the year. TRUTH.
     
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  11. zestd

    zestd Savant (1,071) Jan 18, 2013 Idaho

    My local does a fresh hop called Alpha Reign, but it's ass like the regular version.
     
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  12. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    That thread was ridiculous.

    Can't wait for fresh hop beers.
     
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  13. TheBungyo

    TheBungyo Pooh-Bah (2,037) Dec 1, 2004 Washington
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    I don't know, I can see the day where fresh hop ales rival the popularity of pumpkin, at least in the Northwest. I remember going to the Elysian Pumpkin Fest back in 2005 and having no trouble scoring a table. But every year the format of the fest changed to accommodate the continual expansion of the fest.

    Contrast that with the growth of fresh hop tap takeovers/fests at local pubs, they seem to get bigger every year, much the same way that Elysian's fest grew to a sprawling shindig that is so big it must be held outdoors. Another example is Fremont. The first two years Cowiche was bottled they'd happily sell cases at the brewery. There's been a bottle limit ever since (IIRC anyway) to satisfy demand.

    They'll likely never reach the zenith of pumpkin beers nationwide due to scarcity, the demand for them, and the inherent difficulty utilizing them. But people love hops. We all know the crazy shit people do to get their hands on beers like Pliny or Heady or whatever the current flavor of the week. So in the NW, where these hops are more plentiful, I expect the popularity to continue to grow.

    The rest of the country will probably never fully catch on, but who cares? We should be used to them being wrong anyway. :wink:
     
  14. yeasterbunny

    yeasterbunny Initiate (0) Aug 25, 2007 Oregon

    I think Fresh Hop Festivals/Season should be a national draw to our region. It should be a short and sweet season and be done until next year. If it was more widely know, I think the best possible out come would be lots of people coming to the region to celebrate the harvest, like the running of the bulls or something. The worst would be lots of versions that don't grasp what these beers are about* and "FH" bottles that sit in cellars dying. To get there, I think brewers need to collaborate on these beers 'in season' with other brewers around the country.

    Personally, I think Pumpkin beers are a cult type beer. I know there are all stripes out there, but I feel like there is a core punkin' head audience that doesn't cross over much into broader beers and styles. I think of them as a spice beer forward set (rather the subtle additions ala Belgian). Just my opinion, but I think anyone, for example, talking about how they can't wait for pumpkin beers when it's spring is pretty hard core. As a producer, the geeks complain about how early these come out and the Pumpkin set is chomping at the bit.

    *FWIW, I think of FH beers as not "hoppier" in the generic sense, but like a fresh glass of OG, rather then from concentrate. They have more of the spectrum of flavors of the fruit. In this context, a body (horticultural viscosity) that isn't sweet, and very delicate fruit and tea flavors. I often go to fruit cup or peach snapple as discriptors. That is what I like in these beers, though lots of variations/opinions exist. Thanks for listening.
     
  15. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Boundary Bay isn't making a specific Fresh Hop, but they are putting the the hops that grow on-site into the Harvest Rye. Some kegs should make into regular accounts, but mostly it'll be brewery only.
     
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  16. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    alameda brewing does one of the best (and least known) fresh hop beers every year. named after a NE street as usual, I forget the name. it is fantastic.

    my other favorite thing to do is hit the Deschutes brewpub. think they had 8 fresh hop beers last year. Fresh hop Mirror Pond is truly outstanding (and Im not even big mirror pond fan)
     
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  17. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    The last time I had Fresh Hop Mirror Pond was 3 years ago (bottled). Maybe it has been available only on draft since then; I haven't seen it. And I've been watching for it.

    There are reviews as recent as 8/6/2014 and a trickle all the way through spring and winter (same is true of Cowiche Canyon), which make me wonder if people are still drinking last year's... :grimacing:
     
  18. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    People also tend to confuse Cowiche Fresh Hop with the Hop Lab IPA.
     
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  19. TheBungyo

    TheBungyo Pooh-Bah (2,037) Dec 1, 2004 Washington
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    After witnessing all the confusion in the fresh hop as a style thread that isn't a big surprise.
     
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  20. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Went out and did some "research" for ya. Wander is not doing one this year, but they've got some other surprises coming up, but will do one next year. Kulshan is going to do one, but they're not sure what.It's going to depend on what hops they can get. Neither Chuckanut nor Menace is doing one. I'll get around to North Fork and Aslan over the weekend.
     
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