How long do you leave beer on DICED fruit?

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  1. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Most of the threads I've read suggest 2-3 weeks. Anybody go longer?

    I've got 5g of pineapple kolsch that has been on 6# of fresh diced pineapple (I froze it to rupture the cell walls then thawed it out before adding it) for just about 2 weeks now. While I haven't noticed much gas off (the beer isn't at my own house so I can't check it regularly) the chest freezer it is in does smell strongly of pineapple, so some gas off must of occurred. Last year when I brewed this beer, after freezing and thawing the diced pineapple out, I blended it into a puree before adding it to the fermenter. When I did that, it took a few days but then I witnessed lots of airlock activity (despite minimal krausen) and again got loads of pineapple smell in the chest freezer after the airlock activity happened.

    But transferring to keg was a major pain due to all of the fiber exposed by pureeing the fruit and I worry that the blending process whipped lots of air into the fruit, so I went the diced route this time. I did not notice lots of airlock activity this time, like I did last time. While I'm not too concerned that the pineapple might not have fermented at all, I do believe it may take longer since I didn't puree it. I've been giving the carboy a light swirl every few days to keep the diced pineapple at the surface wet. How long do you think I should leave it before kegging? Should I just stick to my plan and keg at the 3 weeks on the fruit point? Any harm in letting it go longer?
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'd give it maybe another week myself. Obviously less surface area. I'd go ahead as planned and call it a day. You are kegging so no real issue with maybe catching it a couple point from being done if there is some pineapple left to ferment out. Wouldn't do much but leave some residual pineapple behind, no?
     
  3. bevoduz

    bevoduz Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2007 Illinois

    I fruit in kegs with sure screens or stainless braid on the dip tube. After a few weeks I chill and carbonate. This way I can see how it's doing and decide if it needs longer. Sometimes I transfer to another clean keg, other times I just put it in tap with the fruit in the keg. This method is especially great with stuff like habanero peppers where you want to get the heat just right.
     
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  4. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    all sacch?

    look at the fruit. it will likely lose colour. i'd give it 2 weeks.

    with brett? the world's your oyster, son.
     
  5. JStewart00

    JStewart00 Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2014 New Jersey

    I do 2 weeks with a tripel i brew regularly. I ensure to freeze the fruit with some star sanz and then let it thaw before adding it to the secondary. I have used strawberries and cherries successfully.
     
  6. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    My worry was more that some pineapple flavor and sugar is still trapped in the pineapple and not yet exposed to the beer.
     
  7. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    For my own reference, I plan on adding rasberries to a berliner.. Its an ok method to cover in star san solution and add to brew?
     
  8. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Just my opinion...

    Are you asking if soaking the fruit in starsan will hurt the beer or prevent possible infection from the fruit? If the former, I have not experienced any off flavors in my beer due to a touch of starsan. If the latter, I'd say it's not a method that offers a 100% guarantee that your beer won't get infected but it can't hurt.

    I can only speak from my own limited experience, but when I add fresh citrus zest to beers I do take spray the fruit down with starsan prior to zesting it. Not sure if it's necessary, but the beers I've done this for have been quite good. When I make my pineapple beer each year, I don't even bother with starsan. Although I do usually sanitize the freezer bag that the diced pineapple gets placed in before I put it in the freezer. No problems with infection on the pineapple beers I've made thus far. Pineapple is quite acidic though and that might also be helping.
     
  9. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Since it is a re-brew, how does it compare for taste? I would draw a sample, and let my palate be the judge of whether the pineapple flavor/aroma is fully infused into the beer.

    This would also be the time you could add more if it doesn't seem to be getting there this time around.
     
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  10. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    clean beer 2-4 weeks, sour 2-6 months
     
  11. kennyg

    kennyg Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2007 Illinois

    I'm inspired to do the same thing. I'm brewing 10gal Kolsch in October and will put 5gal on some kind of fruit, probably pineapple like you.

    I was wondering though, are you doing this after the "lager" phase? What temp do you have the beer at while its on the pineapple? Thanks in advance! Cheers!
     
  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    My approach is:

    2.5 weeks in primary @ recommended (by yeast manufacturer) temp
    Reduce by 3F per day until the gravity is about 4 points higher than your desired FG
    Rack to secondary at that point and continue to drop 3F per day until you are at 34F - 35F
    Hold at that temp for 2-3 weeks
    Raise temp by 3F per day (on the carboy destined to have pineapple added) until you are back at the recommended fermentation temperature range (by yeast manufacturer)
    Rack into a carboy with the pineapple
    Let ferment for 2-3 weeks
    Keg after that
     
  13. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Kegged the beer today. Man (as I had hoped) using diced fruit (instead of pureed fresh pineapple) made it so much easier to rack from the carboy to the keg. One thing I didn't think of though was that it was much more of a hassle to get the spent diced pineapple out of the carboy LOL. The spent pineapple lacked sugar sweetness and pineapple flavor, so I'm pretty confident both are now in the beer :slight_smile:
     
  14. JStewart00

    JStewart00 Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2014 New Jersey

    Sorry for the slow response. Star sans will help sanitize, freezing it will aid in killing off baddies and also destroying the cell walls of the fruit allowing it to break down easier exposing more sugars for the yeast.
     
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