"Where did all the reasonable traders go?" A Rant

just a word of advice, you should stop using Dark Lord as an example lol

 

I don't know, I think even rants should be somewhat sensicle, coherent, and noncontradictory.

 

right. the 6,000 tickets sell out in minutes because people are dying to drink Dark Lord. you've got it all figured out.

 

Threads like this make me avoid new trading partners. Good god....

 

Your disagreement with markgugs about DL's value is a perfect example of the fact that people differ in their arbitrary assessments of beer value. This is why many people use $4$ as a starting point. Again, it seems like your issue is when you arbitrarily set a beers value and a potential trade partner disagrees with you.

 

@MrShake you are literally everything that's wrong with current traders, which is why I find it incredibly ironic that you started this thread to bitch about a lack of "reasonable" traders.

REASONABLE TRADERS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THINGS LIKE BOTTLE COUNT, DISTANCE DRIVEN TO BUY BEER, OR IF THEY HAD TO HIT F5 2,000 TIMES IN 25 SECONDS TO BUY TICKETS TO A FESTIVAL THAT SERVED SHITTY, OVERPRICED (YES, OVERPRICED) IMPERIAL STOUT.

/there's your rant.

 

Why should I back out?

One corner of your mouth is bitching about a guy who wouldn't trade a lottery $27 Uplands bottle - a beer HE HAS AND VALUES HIGHLY - for 12 $2 bottles of NG beers (or close to it), using as your reasoning that he was a jerk for factoring in drive time, gas, etc.

The OTHER corner of your mouth is saying Dark Lord - the beer YOU HAVE AND VALUE HIGHLY - is worth more than $15 because DL Day sold "6000 tickets in minutes," inferring that the nature of the event makes YOUR beer more valuable.

Which is it?

 

If you offered 4-5 bottles of local shelf beer totaling $13-16 for a brewery only, barrel aged , sour with pedigree, you sir have a case of the crazy.

 

Thank you for the explanation. The point you were trying to make is clearer now.

Obviously, if someone starts that "cost of my gas" or "tax I paid" bullshit I would walk away immediately. I get asked to trade a lot of Jester King beers, and its an hour+ drive for me, each way, to get there to sometimes buy a limit 1 or 2 beer. But NEVER once have I ever asked for that to be factored into the equation of a trade.

I might personally use it as a barometer for asking for a similar beer (limited release, brewery only, etc.) but never as a means of determining "value"

But you have to also understand that there is no pre-determined "value" to any beer, other than cost. Everything else has to be mutually agreed upon. For example, you cited DL, Prop and NG Peach as all being beers whose trade value is higher than their cost, but I have received all of those beers as EXTRAS from traders who didnt value them in that same way.

There are plenty of good traders still on this site, but the problem is there are also a lot of NEW traders who havent figured these intricacies out yet either.

 

funny, every single NG Thumprint I've ever received - and it's been a lot - were extras.

I also got a Wild Peach for a Hill Farmstead growler ($8 vs. $10). Why? Because he was a reasonable trader. MrShake, I apologize for coming off so aggressively, but surely you can see the contradiction you've posted above? Why can "the other guy" not value his beer at greater than the $$$ it cost him, but you can? they're both harder to get beers with incidentals, etc.

 

It is certainly a local shelf beer. I've been to Wisconsin 3 times over the last 2 years and Wild Sour and Berliner have been easy to get at multiple locations every single time I've been in what locals would call "tourist areas". It is by definition a local shelf beer.

 

Lol my buddy picked me up a case of Oud Bruin and Berliner at Woodman's...afraid it doesn't get any more shelf than a grocery store (yes they have a fantastic selection). He also hooked me up with a '14 DL. Guess what? When we traded(as all the other times before) we add up all the money both of us spent and make sure we even everything out.

Honestly if you are trading shelf beers for something that was brewery only and you had to win a lottery to get you should be pretty stoked to get it $4$ because you are getting the much rarer beer in this instance. I will agree bringing up gas, tax etc is BS and I wouldn't want to deal with someone doing that.

It sounds like the big issue you have is that other people don't value your beers as much as you do. It happens...has def happened to me. When it does I just drink the beer I was going to trade and I'm usually still quite happy with the outcome.