critique my west coast ipa

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  1. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    5.5 Gallons
    OG1.058
    FG 1.013
    ABV 5.9%
    SRM 5.7
    Ibus 62
    All Grain

    Grains:
    11 lbs Pale 2row
    .5 lb Crystal 40
    .25 lb carapils

    Hops:
    .50 oz centennial FWH
    1 oz Zythos 10
    .50 oz centennial 10
    1 oz simcoe hop stand
    1 oz amarillo hop stand
    1 oz citra hop stand

    Dry Hop: primart after 2 weeks
    1 oz simcoe 3 days
    1oz amarillo 3 days
    Transfer to secondary and dry hop:
    1 oz zythos 3 days
    1 oz citra 3 days

    Yeast:
    WLP001 California Ale or White Labs American Ale II ?

    Cold crash for 4 days with geletin to clear or leave it unfiltered?

    Bottle condition 2 weeks
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Of course it depends on your goals, but I don't see anything wrong with your recipe.

    Question: Why the first dry hop after two weeks in primary, then the second in secondary? Is your goal to get some yeast/hops interaction fermentation character from the first dry hop? If so, you probably want to do that addition before attentuation is finished, which will likely be long before 2 weeks. Or if you just want to do traditional dry hopping, but in two stages, why not do both in primary or both in secondary? Otherwise, I'm not seeing a reason to do one each way.
     
  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'd say that for "west coast" it's going to need to be drier. 3/4 pounds of crystal malts won't help get you there.
     
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  4. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I want to wait 2 weeks to ensure fermentation is over and thr yeasy clean it up a bit. The reason I'm dry hopping in primary first is so the hops aren't sitting for too long on the yeast cake. Then transfer to secondary for a more clean fresh dry hop for maximum aroma.
     
  5. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    If your FWH is your bittering charge I would make it a full oz.
     
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  6. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    a half pound of crystal will give it a minimal amount of sweetness, right? Want the color more than anything. Any other suggestions for grains? I want it to be orange color
     
  7. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    If you're simply going for color adjustment, I'd suggest either use a small amount of a roasted malt, or swap the .5# of C40 for .25# of C120 and .25# of a simple sugar.
     
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I'd drop the carapils and change the C40 to C20. Why do you care about the color?
     
  9. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I want the color to match the west coast fruit and citrus hops. I feel a bright orange color would do the trick
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't know about bright orange. But for orange-ish, consider Munich.
     
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  11. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Sub some wheat for the crystal.
     
  12. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    I agree with vikeman. I think that most IPAs need a toasted grain.
     
  13. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Nothing wrong with this recipe. If you're looking for potential tweaks...

    I personally would not use FWH in an IPA. I think that's a technique for beers when you want an understated bittering hop quality, and generally that's not what I want in IPAs. I would probably switch that to a standard 60-minute boil bittering addition using a magnum or ctz, and get the IBUs up to about 70-75.

    I would probably add some cane sugar.

    Either of those yeasts will work fine, although 001 is probably more the classic west coast choice.

    I wouldn't bother with gelatin.

    I agree with those who are saying you might adjust your dry hopping schedule: first dry hops at the tail end of fermentation, second batch in the same carboy (I don't see any real benefit from racking to secondary) a few days later.
     
  14. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    In my favorite West Coast IPAs I like to use 1 lb C-40 and .5 lb Munich or something near those numbers. It gives it a nice rounded flavor, a big head when poured and a slight orange tint to color. I do double dry hops exactly as you describe as well and don't have any complaints. My general hop schedule is 1 oz bittering (Nugget many times), then 1 oz each of 2 different flavor hops at 7 minutes and another in a hopstand at flameout...I then only do a single dry hop with 1 oz each of 2 different aroma hops. Depending on hop choices, this usually turns out very citusy, fresh and juicy flavored with a wonderful in your face nose. This recipe is based off of a Fresh Squeezed clone and uses Citra and Mosaic for all but bittering addition...awesome brew that has become our regular house IPA!
     
  15. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    Update:

    10 lbs pale 2 row
    1 lb Munich 10
    .5 lb C40
    4 Oz corn sugar

    1 Oz centennial FWH
    1 Oz each of Zythos, simcoe, amarillo, and citra whirlpool/hop stand

    70 IBUs

    dry hop:
    Citra 1 Oz
    zythos 1 Oz

    California ale 001 yeast
     
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  16. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut

    I would not use gelatin. Heck I wouldn't even cold crash for an ipa. My opinion is I want that haze. I feel like those great hop characteris tics hang in the beer (ala hill farmstead ipas) . Keep it raw and hazy, unless u are entering a competition or something.
     
  17. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    If you want clearer beer, I've had great success with Irish Moss...I put it in all my beers and they come out wonderfully clear after cold crash. One bottle lasts around 20 batches and is pretty cheap.
     
  18. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    Yeah Irish moss is in my lineup of ingredients for sure
     
  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Looks good to me, but as per vikeman's post, I think you are over implicating the dry hop. I do not think the crystal is overdone here.
     
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Over complicating. Stupid auto correct.
     
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