Cold crashing a BetterBottle

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by rapidsequence, Sep 13, 2014.

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  1. rapidsequence

    rapidsequence Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2006 Virginia

    I've brewed for years but always bottled. Just kegged my first batch and didn't cold crash, because I never have. Unfortunately, the first few beers were horribly yeasty, obviously because you serve a keg bottom up instead of top down. I knew but didn't think about it. Anyway... I need to cold crash my next batch. I ferment in better bottles and wanted to just crash in the primary to avoid a transfer. I saw a YouTube video of a guy doing this and his bottle got really crushed by the vacuum effect of the cooling headspace. He wasn't worried, but I didn't like it. Can the bottle do ok with this? I was thinking of maybe running a low level of co2 across the headspace while it cools to avoid this. Is that overkill? Should I just cap it and let it collapse? Thanks!
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I crash in better bottles all the time.. They rarely if ever collapse. The airlock will allow the exchange of air, just make sure you have it filled correctly to avoid any suckback.
     
  3. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

    I think you want to use the s-shaped single piece airlock for this.
     
  4. rapidsequence

    rapidsequence Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2006 Virginia

    Why use an airlock at all? I was planning to plug the top off. Nothing should be coming out, and I don't want anything going in.
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Why NOT use an airlock?

    You are creating a problem by pluggin it up and crashing it. If you leave it alone, with an airlock on it, properly filled, it will crash, nothing gets in, nothing goes out, and your bottle doesn't suck in....
     
  6. rapidsequence

    rapidsequence Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2006 Virginia

    I guess I'm missing something. If you plug it and it collapses on itself, that's because it tried to suck air in but couldn't. If it has an airlock and it tries to suck in, it will suck the airlock dry, then start pulling in air. That will be bad, right? Am I looking at this wrong?
     
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  7. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon

    Well, air gets in, which includes oxygen, which is not something you want to introduce into your beer at this point.
     
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  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Sure, I get that... but if he puts the solid bung in there, he will suck in and crush the sides, which is what he's worried about..

    And get this.. if it keeps the vacuum.... when he pulls out the bung, what happens then? Oxygen gets to it.

    If OP is that worried about o2 ingress then he'd crashing in a purged keg, and transferring with co2. Not worrying about sucking in the sides of his better bottle. If you plug it, you have no choice. Most people slowly crash with their airlocks still attached, and haven't reported any real issue with oxidization, nor complaining about their BB's being unusable.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It won't suck your airlock dry if you fill it correctly.
     
  10. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Rack to the keg. Drop the temps. Carbonate. Pour a couple pints of sludge. Force rack with CO2 from keg 1 into enclosed, sanitized, purged keg 2 through the dip tube to the bottom. Let settle a few days, pour off first pint of sludge, then your golden.
     
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  11. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Missing something here. Why rack to a second keg when the first has been purged, carbed, sanitized, etc?
     
  12. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Sometimes there can be too much sludge at the bottom of the first keg to ever get a clean pour. This can happen especially if one racks from the fermenter soon after fermentation is done, but before much of the yeast, etc have fallen to the bottom. I have use this technique several times. It works great for producing a really clear lager, especially if one uses gelatin in the second keg.
     
  13. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

    Not using an airlock means your going to create a vacuum in there and end up having the better bottle "suck in". This seems fine if you don't mind putting un-needed stress on your fermentor. It seems like it could be dangerous doing that with a glass carboy. The s-shaped airlocks, filled properly with starsan is the way to go. The two piece ones I believe you could risk having some of the liquid get sucked in, but this won't happen with the one pieces and it sort of works the same both ways.

    Of course there isn't a shortage of threads on this topic.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=airlock+for+cold+crashing
     
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