Eldridge Pope AK Results

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  1. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Hoping to keg up my attempt tomorrow. Unfortunately my version is a bastardized version...ended up with doing it as part of a partigyle of an English barleywine/AK split. I thought I had some grains to do a small cap for the mash, but found out i had no steeping grains on brew day. Anyway, mashed at 160F. Ended up with 1092 from first 6.5 gallons and 1034 for second 6.5 gallons. This was higher than expected for first runnings and lower than expected for second runnings (too much crush?). I then added ~3# invert #2 to the AK & ~5# invert #2 to the barleywine...estimated final OG is 1116 for barleywine & 1050 for AK. Pitched Boddington's strain and those suckers took off. Pitch temp was 68F and ambient in the room was 60F...not sure how hot the fermenters got, but the amount of blow off was rather impressive and the bubbling sounded like muffled machine gun fire. I'm hoping this unregulated temp control won't be problematic...but thinking that the thin body of the second runnings for the AK will most likely be. Time will tell.
     
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  2. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    No Maize?
     
  3. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    1# flaked maize, along with 12# muntons maris otter and 11# valley malt 2-row. Hmm...wondering if capping with more flaked maize could have worked since I did have 2#s on hand
    @Naugled, haven't quite followed the weekend brewing threads, did you end up brewing this last week?
     
  4. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    I have the AK planned for a couple of weeks out, mid oct. I'll be cooking up the invert soon though.
     
  5. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    the dilution method for the invert seemed to work well and I had a decent licorice flavor (maybe not great) in the end. Boiled the syrup for 20mins and made a bit of mess of the stove top from the splatter, but all-in-all I was happy with the results. I ended up making ~8# invert #2 so thought I would have some to spare, but ended up adding it all in the end.
    Do you know what yeast strain you're planning on? Are you going to play with your water at all?
     
  6. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    I plan to use Wyeast 1469 West Yorkshire. I've never used it before, but it is a low attenuator and seems to be good fit for this style based on it's description.

    Probably won't make any adjustments to the water except for maybe acid to adjust Ph if needed.

    How big was the pot you needed for 8 lbs of invert? I'm thinking of cooking more than I need and canning the extra.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I plan to use Wyeast 1469 West Yorkshire. I've never used it before, but it is a low attenuator…”

    I have brewed with 1469 a few times and in my homebrewing experience that beer is highly attenuating. Some examples:

    · Bitter Ale (using 1 lb. of English Medium Crystal): OG = 1.050, FG = 1.008; AA = 83%

    · Bitter Ale (using 1 lb. of English Medium Crystal): OG = 1.046, FG = 1.006; AA = 87%

    I am a BIG fan of the flavors created by 1469 but that strain is highly attenuating (at least it is for me).

    Cheers!
     
  8. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    same pot I use to steam veggies like greenbeans & brocolli....maybe a gallon and it was filled maybe 3/4 of the way (?). I started with 4# sugar, 2 qts water, a bit of corn syrup, molasses and phosphoric acid.
     
  9. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Jack, is that the strain that supposedly has a krausen with a life all its own?
     
  10. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    Thanks for that input. I was going by Wyeasts recommendation on attenuation, which was fairly low compared other strains. Sounds like I'll still need the other tricks to keep it low. Do you remember if it flocs well or fast?
     
  11. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    Wow, so you ended up with 8 lbs of invert from 4 lbs of sugar? How much corn syrup and molasses did you add?
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Dave, I found this quote from homebrewtalk.com: “I have northern brewers inkeeper in my primary right now using wyeast 1469. it's been 13 days and yet krausen persists and there is no airlock activity.”

    I must confess that I am not the most observant person in the world and consequently I have no recollection of a persistent krausen for my 1469 beers. When I brew my Bitter Ales I also dry hop with 2 ounces of East Kent Goldings. So, once the airlock activity has stopped I ‘drop’ the dry hops (in a muslin bag with marbles) into my bucket and wait another 2 weeks before bottling. So, was there krausen on top when I ‘dropped’ the dry hops in? Geez, I just can’t recall. I can report that after the 2 weeks of dry hopping there is no krausen (a total time in the bucket of around 3 weeks).

    I guess this is a long winded way of saying that it appears that 1469 is the strain that has a krausen with a life all its own (based upon the homebrewtalk.com post).

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The best that I can say is that my Bitter Ales after 5 weeks (3 weeks in the bucket and 2 weeks of bottle conditioning) are clear; the yeast has settled out at that point in time.

    Cheers!
     
  14. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Been meaning to follow up. So as stated in my OP, I was worried about thin body of the second runnings (the AK) since I didn't cap the mash. The AK version finished at 1014 and has plenty of legs. I did end up dry hopping with 1/2 oz of EKG. Still carbing up (1.7 volumes). Looking forward to giving this one a go when it's complete.
    The Thomas Hardy clone still is bubbling away and has some krausen (I fermented that cooler than the AK).
     
  15. Hiwattowner

    Hiwattowner Pooh-Bah (2,926) Feb 23, 2008 Massachusetts
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    I think you're thinking of Wyeast 1318? That is the Boddingtons strain.
     
  16. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Maybe you're correct...I used 1318 and the top cropping ability of that yeast was on display with the AK batch as it left a 1/2" cake on the bottom of my blow-off collection vessel. The barleywine batch still has a krausen 10 days after pitching (and there was heavy activity within hours of pitching on brewday).
    First carbed tastings last night from the bottom of the keg are a little on the sugary sweet side...
     
  17. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I can't say exactly now...but the corn syrup was supposedly for stability (to prevent crystallization), but obviously that wasn't needed since I used up all the invert. I think it was like half a cup though.
    The blackstrap, I think I calculated it to be like 70 g (?). Unfortunately I didn't take brewing notes on making the invert :slight_frown:
    although...i did write down the calculations on the instruction sheet...will try to check later and report back.
     
  18. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    Was the sample from the AK? Where did the FG land? (nevermind, I got it, I missed the one post)
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I am with @JackHorzempa on 1469, powerful attenuator, into the low 80% at times, and yes @telejunkie the krausen from that yeast is crazy. I have had the beer finish and drop clear with the krausen still set a good inch or so above the top of the wort, still billowy, still thick, bubbly, creamy, full of yeast. It's eerie.
     
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  20. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    so 4 lbs of sugar is added to 4 pints of water...and as they say, a pint's a pound the world around. Boil-off of water, added back in the form of phosphoric acid, molasses & corn sugar was my estimate. Figure it was 8# total...never measured it though since my scale only goes to like 6 lbs.
     
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