Beer Based on Census Data

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  1. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Need a break from the threads that seem to pop up with regularity on BeerAdvocate? I can't promise you this article will be up your alley, but I can promise it will be different from most of the articles that are posted on beer. No, it's not another "definitive" list of styles or style-bashing article from Thrillist. And it's not talking about when the craft beer "bubble" will burst.

    It's about a statistician who thought it would be cool to synthesize census data into beer recipes, using standard demographic information as the basis for the composition of the recipe for a beer.

    http://io9.com/transforming-data-into-beer-could-be-the-greatest-idea-1641594019

    From the article:


    "Yau is developing a program that spits out a beer recipe based on data from the latest American Community Survey release from the United States Census Bureau. The program creates a recipe for each county in the U.S., taking into account:

    • Percent of people with at least a bachelor's degree
    • Percent of people who are employed
    • Percent of people covered by health care
    • Median household income
    • Population density
    • Percent of population that is white, black, hispanic, and Asian"

    There are a couple things to me that are cool about this--

    1) By reducing beer to its component ingredients, he sort of steps outside of the constraints of style. Yes, certain counties will emulate certain styles based on what the data says should be in the beer and how much, but there isn't any specific aim for a county to be a specific style.

    2) For people that are bored by something as mundane as census data, this could be a really cool way to get a conceptual feel for how counties vary based on the type of beer that results. I'm not a statistician, and I don't really keep current on census data, so I can't help but wonder--will counties within a similar geographical area all "taste" similar? Maybe neighboring counties will be more different from one another than say a county in one state will be to a county in a state on the other side of the U.S.

    The only drawback is that the vast majority of us won't ever get to taste our county. So it's ultimately an intellectual exercise.
     
  2. NCMonte

    NCMonte Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2014 North Carolina

    I for see a problem, because I skew all statistics in the South East.
     
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  3. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Hmmm. Math and Beer. I'm not saying it's not a workable idea but the only numbers I focus on when I think of beer are 6 & 12 [as in pack] 12 & 22 [as in ozs.] and any number between 6 & 10 [as in ABV]. But as the OP stated, at least the article is not another poll, list or 'the sky is falling' diatribe.
     
  4. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    Neat exercise. Here are a few of the dimensional relationships he's chosen:

    I'd love to see a full list of the translations.
     
  5. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    I think he's still working through all the translations, but I'm hoping to be able to come back and post an update if he ever posts a finalized list.
     
  6. SpaceEurope

    SpaceEurope Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2012 New Jersey

    Was there a link to or download of the actual recipe function, or is there only the ones he generated?
     
  7. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Really tight cluster demographics of neighborhood preferences would allow a more effectual sales strategy for braniac hungover sales "technicians". Making things more complicated to simplify things is utter genius. For those that just need to know, most people prefer really crappy beer. Good beer follows money everywhere, and colleges, young people, jobs, and education provide the rest. I would like to know which US county most prefers Nelson Sauvin hops, but that's just me. Perhaps a real mystery will be revealed by this "research", but somehow it seems like a painful elaboration of the obvious. Noble hops are preferred in parts of Europe, are less than hip, and Ringwood yeast should be used with toast and marmalade. Most Americans need to look more closely at vegamite as a dietary supplement, or maybe not! I live in area code 27410 and just cracked a NoDa Hop Drop'n Roll. Hope that helps.
     
  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    My heart can be cold, but at times I'm overly sensitive. Perhaps today I'm the latter, because it's somewhat bothersome to see those of a specific race, income, health, and/or education equated with a specific kind of beer.
     
  9. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    I don't see how it's any different than quantifying those things with numbers. I wouldn't say that it's reductive any more than the census itself is reductive (which would be a different argument). This is just converting quantities from a number scale to, say, a 'hops scale'.
     
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  10. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Did you read the article? It's about taking census data and assigning values from that data to equal a specific ingredient/quantity of ingredient in a beer recipe. It's not talking about figuring out what people in given geographic areas prefer when it comes to beer.

    I don't mean this to be an insult--I'm just honestly not sure what you're talking about here.

    Well, in the concept, a race (or income or other demographic trait) would only be equated to one trait within a beer recipe, so the resulting beer would really be a synthesis of all the demographic details of a given county. And I think @cookiequiz makes a good argument that converting census data to representative traits is no more reductive to people than the census itself.
     
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  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It was a joke, sorry.
     
  12. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    He forgot "percent of males with beards" and "percent of population with tattoos."
     
  13. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Well crap, now I feel like a humorless dick. :slight_frown:

    No need to apologize, I just didn't understand.
     
  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    My feeling is that changing the signifier but not the signified is still a significant change. I could see how a statistician would find it cool, but I can only see it through the lens of a beer drinker, and in that vein it doesn't sit quite right with me. I'm distorting the authors formula, but what if it was tweaked so that an underprivileged community equated to a Schlitz clone and a well-off community equated to a Rodenbach Grand Cru clone? The author might have been aware of such sensitivities since he cheekily aligned head retention with education but (deliberately/smartly ?) avoided any obvious analogies with race. Anyway, I'm not trying to be a party pooper... just trying to politely throw in my two cents.
     
  15. fredmugs

    fredmugs Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana

    Completely ridiculous. Maybe he can call the company Unsynergistic Ales.
     
  16. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Please, throw in to your heart's content. That's what make articles like this fun.

    I will say this--while I understand where you are coming from, I think as long as the connections between demographic data point and recipe ingredient remain at such a granular level, you won't run into any uncomfortable situations where underprivileged communities are akin to light swill and privileged communities are barrel-aged imperial stouts. Especially if, as you note, the person choosing the connections is choosing only desirable beer characteristics to pair with those demographic points.

    Part of what makes this interesting, to me, is that it's a very real possibility that communities with widely divergent demographic data could actually end up producing fairly similar tasting and high quality beers.

    Unless I'm missing something about the article, I don't think there is a company. I don't think he's planning on selling these beers. It's an experimental exercise in data representation. He's not going to produce and sell a beer for each of the 3,007 counties in the United States.
     
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