Counterfeit Cantillon John Chris Nomad

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  1. warbird07

    warbird07 Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2009 Michigan

    Its never too early for Beeradvocate...:-)
     
    #41 warbird07, Jun 11, 2012
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  2. thagr81us

    thagr81us Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2010 South Carolina

    But it is too early to start a LNBA thread... :slight_smile:

    Sucks to hear that this is going on. I have seen counterfeit Cantillon glassware that was confirmed to be fake by the brewery. Guess this was only a matter of time. ISO: Fake JCN FT: PBR
     
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  3. JealousChalice

    JealousChalice Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 California

    Photos will be up later today. I sent a link to this post to the guy I received the counterfeit bottle from, and he has read the post. He also knows that people would like to trace the offending bottle to the source. At this point, it is in his ballpark regarding how and when he decides to do that.
     
    #43 JealousChalice, Jun 11, 2012
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  4. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    He said he took pictures but they look identical because the differences are so subtle the camera/picture couldn't show them.

    1) Why would he lie?

    2) The person he received it from recognized the issue, and apparently has more of them from one source.

    3) Asking the brewer "Have you ever changed your label printing process.... this is what I'm looking at" can be just as valid as showing them a picture..... if nothing has ever been changed, saying "I'm looking at two labels side-by-side" can be just as revealing.
     
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  5. rvdoorn

    rvdoorn Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Netherlands

    ok, thanks for the reply! Great you will post the pics. I really hope the source can be found in the end.
     
    #45 rvdoorn, Jun 11, 2012
  6. rvdoorn

    rvdoorn Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Netherlands

    I quote: "The rear label should have a pure white background with sharp black text, even the extremely small text here is sharp on the genuine label. The counterfeit rear label has a slight pinkish background with less sharp text, the smallest of which, down at the bottom of the back label, is just a blur."

    you call this subtle differences? I don't know what camera you possess, but my 5 year old camera can take clear pictures of these subtle differences :slight_smile:

    And why would the OP lie; no idea. People may have their own motives sometimes.

    But, pictures are coming, so lets wait and see.:slight_smile:
     
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  7. PapaEugene

    PapaEugene Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2009 Netherlands

    So where did your trader get the bottles from. This thing should be easy to trace back. If this is true than somebody should hang.... and pictures might help others to go to their basement and check their bottle....
     
    #47 PapaEugene, Jun 11, 2012
  8. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio


    And I quote.....



    Doesn't matter what kind of camera I have.... he said he already took pictures, and they aren't telling.
     
    #48 Jparkanzky, Jun 11, 2012
  9. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Maven (1,338) Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Yeah I wasn't accusing that dude, the thread just brought the thought or someone doing something like that in to my head.
     
    #49 Jnorton00, Jun 11, 2012
  10. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I genuinely believe this has been happening for a long time. It's way too easy to do. Replace a one-off Cantillon label on a Gueuze here, refill a retired exotic whale barleywine over there... I generally just assume half of the BA stouts on Ebay are refilled with Old Rasputin and a splash of bourbon.
     
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  11. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I wouldn't go quite that far.

    Also, from my reading of the OP's posts earlier, he's not super tech-savvy and isn't even sure how to do a photo upload. So be a bit more patient, it's not like someone's going to die if he uploads these pics later.
     
    #51 stupac2, Jun 11, 2012
  12. rvdoorn

    rvdoorn Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Netherlands


    If you defend the fact that blurs (quote: “the smallest of which, down at the bottom of the back label, is just a blur)” cannot be caught by camera, but can be seen by the human eye, it does matter which camera you have. Because defending this statement is most likely based on your own experience with cameras…


    digita7693 (Don) just took great pictures of a genuine bottle with his camera:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/artismyheroin/7361260226/in/set-72157630102419382


    all the small letters are clearly readable. A blur should be even more easy to capture, no? This has nothing to do with the vision of the human eye….

    @stupac2: I do agree with you. I didnt realize that the OP may not be super tech-savvy :slight_smile:
     
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  13. PapaEugene

    PapaEugene Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2009 Netherlands

    Yes, just finshed up 25 bottles of M.....
     
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  14. futura123

    futura123 Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2010 California

    I'm not gonna trade for any bottle of M from Belgium :wink:
     
    #54 futura123, Jun 11, 2012
  15. darienm

    darienm Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois

    It is true I asked for a scan of a Don Q label. I am a fan of the story and wanted to make a poster from the artwork. I barely trade beer. But thanks for remembering me. Still looking for that art.
     
    #55 darienm, Jun 11, 2012
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  16. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I thought I sent you it, I e-mailed Jean and he sent me one. It's 410x640 pixels, and if it's what he sent me I assume it's what they used. BM me if you want it again.
     
    #56 stupac2, Jun 11, 2012
  17. PapaEugene

    PapaEugene Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2009 Netherlands

    No, trade them from Holland... that's where I'm at...:grinning:
     
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  18. futura123

    futura123 Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2010 California

    Ok then, no trade for M from Europe or Nigeria.
     
    #58 futura123, Jun 11, 2012
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  19. ShawDeuce22

    ShawDeuce22 Crusader (457) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts

    It's still on the interwebs, if anyone else wants it too!
     
    #59 ShawDeuce22, Jun 11, 2012
  20. MasterSki

    MasterSki Grand Pooh-Bah (4,848) Dec 25, 2006 Canada (ON)
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    M would be a serious pain in the ass to counterfeit, although it's not to say it couldn't be done. You'd have to get your hands on an empty bottle for the label and have a decent supply of Midnight Sun caps to start, but the most difficult part would be finding a beer that's even remotely similar in flavor and appearance. It's really dark for the style, and tastes quite unique - to capture the oxidation qualities, heavy chocolate and dark fruits, and more typical barleywine flavors, you'd need a blend like Kuhnhenn Raspberry Truffle Port, Alpine Great, and perhaps a splash of early 2000s Chimay Blue, and then you'd need to find a way to sufficiently re-carbonate it.

    Unless you're going to mass-produce counterfeits the expense of creating a convincing fake is probably not worth the effort. Drinking a bottle to adequately match color and flavor, plus the cost of the ingredients and homebrew supplies/equipment, would really cut into the margin.

    Unfortunately JC Nomad is pretty much the perfect beer to counterfeit - generic bottle other than the label (2011 Cantillon 750ml), a style of beer that has fairly pronounced bottle variation (gueuze), easy access to pristine labels (eBay), and contents that don't vastly differ from a readily available product (Cantillon classic).
     
    #60 MasterSki, Jun 11, 2012
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