Racking from Primary to Kegs via Co2

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  1. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    You could always put a bottling valve on the bucket just above the level your yeast and trub typically settles at. Set the bucket on a higher surface than the keg and allow everything to settle out. Open up the valve with the other end of the tubing attached to the keg, and gently force the CO2 into the bucket. Maybe get one of the pieces I talked about in my post above and insert it in a rubber bung to keep the system closed? Not sure if this would all work, just speculating.
     
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  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Drill a hole in your lid that will hold a bung with your racking cane. Put a flare fitting on a grommet and have it into the other existing hole. Or have another hole in the lid for another airlock, and have a co2 tubing set up that would fit into, via a nipple or something you slip into the grommet. Your choice really, just need a way to keep lid on and feed co2 into there at very low pressure.

    You can feed the co2 through the top, and have the bucket higher than your keg. You'd need just enough pressure to get the beer moving at first, and you'd be good to go.
     
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  3. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    what's cool is I just wrote an article i submitted two weeks ago for the december byo the with this as a big piece of the puzzle...talking about considerations for a great hoppy beer. #thankyoupeterwolfe. Here is a great link that I remember utilizing back in the day when I first set up my carboy cap:
    http://morebeer.com/brewingtechniques/library/backissues/issue2.4/dawson.html
     
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  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    So I am a fairly new homebrewer and have been using a friend's bucket for fermentation. I have a fridge with temp control to ferment. I am looking to buy my own stuff and I really like the speidel. Mostly because of the easy cleaning and the spigot. I rarely transfer to a secondary and usually just dry hop in the primary. I hate taking gravity reading via auto Siphon and also dislike transferring to a bottling bucket.

    Can you use the spigot to draw gravity samples and bottle or rack to a secondary with the spigot as opposed to using a shipon?
     
  5. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I've been very happy with the speidel so far. Definitely a step up from the buckets, easy to clean the spigot, handles are strong and I like the design of the fermenter.

    For dry hopping, that is what i've been doing. You just have to be really careful when drawing gravity samples, you don't want to draw it then leave it with wort still clinging to it for several days. You may come back with a mushroom plug. As long as your diligent about rinsing it, then you should be fine. Also the airlock opening is more than big enough to stick a thief in to draw a sample.
     
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  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Thx for the info.
     
  7. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    You're very lucky you were using a Better Bottle rather than a glass carboy. Why 40psi? I purge my kegs at 10psi... when the O2 is gone, it's gone.
     
  8. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Cool setup overall; I will play with this to simplify things a little. I will mention that the sterile filter on the CO2 is probably overkill; if all the fittings are sanitary, it's very unlikely that any contamination will come from the gas...just saying because those sterile filters cost money. But if you have a cheap source, why not use them?
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I had them laying around to be honest. I had a few because I use them on the inline of my oxygen tank set up as well.
     
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  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I normally just slam the co2 into my kegs as well. I don't know why, maybe just habit. Not sure if that was the case with him.

    That said- I'm pretty aware of what I have downstream as far as pressure before I open anything. More of a habit due to my line of work as well.

    40psi into a glass carboy would have me.. clinching my butt cheeks.
     
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  11. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Hopefully from behind the nearest wall...
     
  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Trying to seat a lid that just wouldn't stop leaking, and flushing as much O2 from the hops as I could. Ended up using quite a bit of keg lube and hitting the rim with a hammer to get it to form correctly to the lid. Worked. Def not gonna do any of that 40psi stuff again.
     
  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You gotta figure that jbakajust1 does everything to the extreme: "Ended up using quite a bit of keg lube and hitting the rim with a hammer to get it to form correctly to the lid" . . . see what I mean!

    Actually the orange cap will pop off at a fairly low pressure. Lots of reviews have customers complaining about how difficult it is to keep the cap on a carboy as they add pressure. Not sure this is by design but you want the cap to fail before you-know-what happens. My grip can not keep it on much past 4 psi, so it's unlikely any brewer will be getting the Darwin Award from a failed carboy. Now anyone foolish enough to clamp it down . . . :grimacing:
     
  14. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Hey, I resemble that comment!
     
  15. basscram

    basscram Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2006 Maine

    That is a really cool idea! I may have to do that next time around! Thanks for showing a picture of the swivel nut for everyone Port Largo!
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'll post a picture of my racking set up tomorrow. It's the same for moving to another carboy or to my barrel. I add the liquid in line for the kegs.

    Need to buy another ball lock post for the jumper, and maybe another keg. Hah!
     
  17. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Yes have done this before. Good post here and on the bear-flavored site. Taking home teeing to the next level!
     
  18. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    Is using the sterile air filter really necessary? I mean, after all, there seems to be no need to connect one between a co2 bottle and a keg. I'm only asking because I'm wondering if I might be overlooking something here.
     
  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    No.. no real reason. There's a sinistered filter on the regulators in most cases.

    I have extras around as well, I also have a line that comes off a 4 way splitter that stays connected in my keezer, that I drag around for various things, like purging and racking, so it can get crap in it, so I've just done it like that before.

    If you blow into your cap to start a siphon like mentioned above, I'd use the filter as well.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    To update this:

    I've been drinking my IPA and.. Xtra Pale.. Both were fermented the same temp, flushed with co2 in the primary. Dryhops added while the fermentation was dying down, flushed after the hops were added.

    Racked via co2 to the kegs through the out post. Flushed the keg well, pushed all the starsan out, then flushed the lines and racking cane with co2. Pretty much EVERYTHING was flushed, and easily at that.

    Racked to the kegs, purged, and then set to carbonate.

    I can tell a marked difference in the beers from ones in the past where I was a little lax in racking them around from primary to keg, and even hopping in the keg.

    My aroma during the pour from the tap is very, very aromatic. The flavor is just so much more crisp, and spot on. By this time, I would have picked up on some oxidization of my hoppy beers, and would have a more muted aroma and flavor.

    Between packing in the oils with the hopback, and racking via co2 throughout the process, I believe this is where people end up unhappy with their hoppy beers after some time.
     
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