Recipe check on an Imperial Stout.

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  1. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Suggestions welcome

    OG 1.090
    FG 1.026
    IBU 57

    Mash @158

    7lbs Golden Promise (46%)
    4lbs Munich (26%)
    1 lbs Flaked Oats (7%)
    1 lbs Dark Brown Sugar (7%)
    .75 lbs Chocolate (300 srm) (5%)
    .75 lbs Pale Chocolate (5%)
    .5 lbs C80 (3%)
    .2 lbs Roasted Barley (1%)

    Co2 Hop Extract to 50 IBU
    1 oz EKG @ 5

    Wyeast 1450

    Keg Additions:
    1 pint Russel's Reserve 10yr Bourbon (infused with 1 medium toast oak spiral)
    2-3 oz of cocoa nib extract made with the same bourbon. (made from 3 oz of cocoa nibs)

    Considerations:
    Vanilla
    1 Cinnamon stick

    Thanks!
     
  2. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Strikes me as a lot of bourbon. 5 gallon batch I assume? May want to add the bourbon/oak mix a little at a time. Easier to add more than to take some out.
     
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  3. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    My only suggestion would be to try and find a British crystal instead of using c80, but it's sort of nit picking. Are you going for a flavor contribution from the brown sugar? You could consider treacle. I've never used it, and if it is very similar to brown sugar, I apologize. The cigar smoke and chocolate milk stout is blurring my good sense.
     
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  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Seems like a bit of a waste to use golden promise in a stout. If I had some 2 row available I would stick with that.
     
  5. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Interesting. Wouldn't stouts benefit from malty, buiscuity, rich base malt? I think all other things remaining equal, you'd miss something using 2-row.
     
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  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Previously, I've used 1 and 1 1/4 cups of bourbon in 5 gallons, neither added as much as I was looking for. I may limit it to just a pint, including the cocoa nib extract.

    I have considered using the British Crystal...but at such a small amount I didn't think I'd notice an appreciable difference. I'm not really looking for much flavor contribution from the brown sugar...I just have it on hand. Hadn't considered Treacle...but I'll check into it.

    I use GP as the base malt in the majority of my beers. Personally, I like it better than regular 2-row. I understand it may not be as noticeable as using it in a lighter beer.
     
  7. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Have you had a stout with brown sugar? Back in the day it seemed every stout recipe had molasses and my recipes got a lot better when I started cutting the sugars. It will make for a dryer impy stout than most commercial examples.
     
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  8. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Honestly, I don't know. I haven't made one with brown sugar before, but it's the only way I can get down to that FG without changing the mash temp.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What color Munich? That seems like a really low amount of roasted barley (1%), for lack of a better description I would say this is more like a robust porter vs. imperial stout to me.

    Not sure I would use GP, but my wife thinks I am cheap so... :slight_smile:
     
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  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I find roasted barley taxing, in general...I'm looking for a pretty subtle acrid note in this. However, I did consider that it was a bit low even for my tastes. Something to consider, for sure.
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I don't think I remember seeing brown sugar in an RIS before. For my tastes, I think this beer will come out dry. I think that would push me over the top when you say that you're going to add a pint of bourbon and oak to this. Maybe the chocolate and nibs will balance this out. I'd keep the sugar out of the equation for as long as possible. I'm looking forward to hearing how this one comes out.
     
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  12. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'm gonna say that its more of an imperial porter than stout, but that's nitpicking. For a stout I would go for a larger amount of roast barley or black patent, with chocolate malt in a supporting role. In other words, not enough roast.
     
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  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    If you don't want acrid, then obviously keep the black patent out like you have.

    However, I think you are low on the roasted barley. Heck, even toss in some carafa III or something, that will give you a drying sensation and make it black as oil, as well. Add more roasted barley, and I'd even up the crystal a tad by another quarter pound.

    I'd nix the brown sugar. I used some in a RIS about 2 years ago, and hated it. I've since removed it, and my last RIS was a beast without it, and taste phenomenal.

    I like the dual use of the chocolate malts, I do that as well, and think it really layers in some good flavors.

    If you are worried about getting it down low enough, change up your yeast. I've never used 1450, but in a beer with all that malt bill going on, you can toss in some US05 even, get a large pitch doing so. Unless you are trying to get something from the yeast to add to the beer.

    Other than that, I'd say you are okay. I haven't liked adding liquor to the kegs to get the bourbon notes, but the nibs sound like a tasty idea for sure.
     
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  14. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    For me The Roast Barley makes the Imp Stout. I would also mash at 153 degrees as there are enough unfermentables for a heavy mouth feel.
     
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  15. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    It would appear that a consensus is forming around nixing the sugar, and upping the roasted barley. TBH, I didn't want the sugar in there, and only added it to get the FG down.

    As for mashing, I don't usually go that high, and just wanted to see how it worked in this beer. However, I'll retool this recipe, and if I have to lower it I will. I really want to stay below an FG of 1.028, if I can.

    @FATC1TY, If I had a bourbon barrel you better believe I'd throw it in there...but I don't really know of another way to add the bourbon flavor. As I pointed out though...I haven't really been impressed with my attempts at adding it to the keg either. I really like 1450 for Stouts and Porters...and that's why I'm using it...HUGE mouthfeel, and really plays off the malts well.

    Keep an eye on this space for an update!
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I would try just plain old cubes. Get a medium char oak, boil it for a couple minutes, drain it. Toss it in your bourbon. Enough to cover. Let it sit around. When you need it, add the oak, don't add the bourbon. Taste the bourbon and see what you think of it. If you like the oaky profile it has left behind, put some in there. I'd taste it until happy with the oak levels, and then dose it with some bourbon. Maybe even a bit of vanilla bean as well, if you didn't get what you wanted from the oak.

    As for finishing where you want, I had a 1.125 RIS go to around 1.028-1.030 with just US05 fermented at 62*.

    I don't think the sugar is needed. I think you might however, want to shoot for 155 or so on the mash to aide in that. I mashed at 151-152, because I wanted it to ferment down. A beer with all that malt will have plenty of sweetness and body left regardless, IMO. The oats will actually confuse the mouthfeel and make it feel smoother and thinner anyways. I find the silky body, while full, leaves it feeling drier in the finish.
     
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  17. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Here's the most recent iteration of the recipe. I feel like maybe I should reduce the chocolate malts a percentage each, since upping the roasted barley...

    Thoughts?

    OG 1.089
    FG 1.029
    IBU 57

    Mash @155

    7.5 lbs Golden Promise (48%)
    4.5 lbs Munich (29%)
    1 lbs Flaked Oats (6%)
    .75 lbs Chocolate (300 srm) (5%)
    .75 lbs Pale Chocolate (5%)
    .5 lbs C80 (3%)
    .75 lbs Roasted Barley (5%)

    Co2 Hop Extract to 50 IBU
    1 oz EKG @ 5

    Wyeast 1450

    Keg Additions:
    Russel's Reserve 10yr Bourbon and oak spiral (amount as yet determined)
    2-3 oz of cocoa nib extract made with the same bourbon. (made from 3 oz of cocoa nibs)

    Still in contention:
    Vanilla
    Cinnamon
     
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  18. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I was in the "more roasted barley" camp as well. I think that malt bill is fine now for what you want.

    I would consider increasing the initial bittering charge. I usually go for 100 IBU on something like this an have never thought it was too much.

    Good luck!
     
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  19. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Looks like it sits pretty happily on the lower end of the RIS scale. I think if you use a starter and mash a little lower, you'll get down to low-mid 1.020's for the FG to be honest.
     
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  20. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Looks good to me. I like the less than extreme bitterness and higher roast level too.
     
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