Counterfeit Cantillon John Chris Nomad

Probably not, I don't think any of this information was actually new to someone who was paying attention.

 

Well, that's why I said new generation. As in, people that read this thread and are now turning to the dark side.

I have some experience in prepress and printing and I learned some shit. I'd like to take the ol' Arbitrator-drinks-Black-Xantus-out-of-a-Narke-bottle prank to the next level.
Edit - it was a narke bottle, right?

 

I tend to doubt it - it's not rocket science. Though I'm not even sure it is a bad thing if it does happen. It would immediately hurt and ultimately destroy the Ebay market if it ever caught on. And the trading community generally does a good job policing itself - if anything, fakes leaking into the trading world would make everybody more cautious, which isn't necessarily a bad thing either. A vet willingly sending a fake out in a trade guarantees excommunication, and even done accidentally it raises questions about how they obtained the bottle. Then just proceed with caution when dealing with noobs, particularly with whales.

 

From what I've heard, yes.

 

i would like to thank everyone that contributed to this thread.. it helped me get through a crappy day at work yesterday.. hehe

 

I don't think there is a next level. My understanding is that Arbitrator is somewhat bitter about that experience. Then again, I was about 10 beers deep when he told me the story, so maybe he's not that bitter.

 

so why wouldn't they make a better quality label? low-res artifacted crap is herculean?

let's get everyone to do something that requires effort. there is no flaw in this plan.

reminds me of your exchange in this thread (to this day i do not understand it).

 

I would like to thank everyone for giving me the idea to make some knock off CBS.

Now I'll finally get to try it.

 

Never said they were perfectionists... The JCN label in question was probably good enough to fool most people who don't have a real one in hand. In fact, it sounds like it was already traded at least once, so it fooled somebody.

 

true. all this time you've been saying that ebay is a haven for scammers and ripoff artists, to which i countered: why wouldn't trading have the same issues? looks like it does.

i just don't agree with your implication that scammers work hard. by definition they want a big payday for relatively little effort.

 

I've been very skeptical in the past when I'm trading "whales" for "whales" and I get a BM from a newish member or member with no references who has a ridiculous cellar. Right...you have every bottle I'm looking for, but you don't really trade and are from the western part of Congo. Np, let's do this, and I'd also like to give you my bank information if that's ok.

 

At least the counterfit bottle is a corked and capped Cantillon bottle . Call it your Cantillon Surprise.

 

The reason trading wouldn't have the same issues, is that reputation matters a lot more in the trading world than in Ebay. Traders who pay attention also require noobs to ship first - you can't do that with Ebay. And while Ebay reputation matters in theory, people don't blink twice at bidding on something from a new seller in practice.

Scammers work hard if they think they can pull of a worthwhile scam. Read some of the stuff over at 419 Eater to see the extent people are willing to go...

 

i don't agree with either of the bolded statements.

ebay also sides with the buyer more often than the seller.

 

I don't feel like rehashing arguments that have already been had earlier in this thread, but again, if a scammer can sell off 10 bottles before a fake one is uncovered, Ebay can't do a damn thing for those first 9 bottles, as the money will already be gone. Further to it, it's incredibly easy to just setup new accounts.

And yes, just poke around completed Ebay beer sales, and look at the number of sales from sellers with < 10 transactions. Ebay reputation tends to matter most on commodity items - when unique/rare things are in play, people's desire for the product often overrides safe practices.

 

Obviously someone hasn't seen Ocean's Eleven.

 

heh!

but in all seriousness, i'm just taking umbrage with cbeer88's obvious hatred toward ebay sellers. i think the fixation is blinding him to an unpleasant truth about trading.

 

I just see them as being very disjoint universes, and the comparison is apples to oranges. Yes, there are bad traders. Of course.

But a good/careful trader can easily make 100 trades without receiving a single counterfeit bottle. In fact, this thread seems like the first time it has happened. Despite the hundred thousand trades or whatever that have probably happened on this site over the years. Perhaps it has happened before, and I wouldn't doubt it, but the risks of doing so are so very high with such a minimal reward. So you counterfeit a bottle of beer to get back a bottle of beer, meanwhile you risk being blackballed by the community so you can never trade again? What's the point?

On the other hand, I don't believe anybody could make 100 Ebay purchases of expensive beers without ending up with numerous counterfeit bottles. And the risks of counterfeiting on Ebay are quite low. Your worst case scenario is you get caught and go open up another account and do it all over again.

 

I was wondering the same thing, and then I realized it might actually make sense to use BA to "launder" the fake bottles and then sell real ones on eBay, since there are literally no bad repercussions on BA whereas on eBay there are some in theory. Of course, that takes another bite out of profits, so it might not be worth it.