"Trade With Caution: ghost_pepper78 and janky."

Well, after 50+ seamless trades, I suppose it was only a matter of time until I ran into a bad trader. I wasn't really expecting it to happen twice in less than three weeks. Anyway, I typically like to do my laundry in private, but the mods have suggested the community should know about this type of thing, so here goes.

RE: @ghost_pepper78

In response to one of my ISO posts, @ghost_pepper78 bm'd me an offer. We agreed to a deal and exchanged contact info. I sent him a trade request, but it was not immediately accepted. This didn't really worry me--I've had several trades where the formal trade request/acceptance isn't done until boxes are sent (side note: this is not the practice I am employing from here on out for reasons that will soon become clear).

When he sent me his contact info, he said that he was going to send my beers out tomorrow (which would have been Wednesday, October 14). I followed up on the 14th to ask if he had sent the beers and asked for tracking. I noticed he only had one completed trade so I wanted to wait for tracking before sending my box. In response to my inquiry re: whether he shipped, he responded the next day (Thursday) and stated that he was going to send the beers on out Monday because he "didn't want it sitting in a warehouse over the weekend." Okay. That seemed considerate. No word from him on the following Monday. I followed up on Tuesday. Nothing. Then I followed up and expressed some concern on Thursday. Nothing. Then, after asking a mod for advice, I was told that I should do this for everyone's benefit even though I did not have a formally accepted trade on the system such that I could leave negative feedback. I reached out one final time, but still received nothing but radio silence. He has checked in multiple times since completely ignoring my messages.

This was my first bad experience in dealing with someone on this site. I hoped it would be my last. I wasn't so lucky.

RE: @janky

I reached out to @janky earlier today in response to this post:

http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...-variants-jk-hf-etc-iso-list-of-wants.223527/

I told him that I had two of his ISOs (Lacto Apricot and PseudoSue) and that I was interested in either of the KDS variants. He wrote back offering me a few options, one of which was to offer me both KDS variants for the Lacto Apricot, PseudoSue and CCB Cucumber Saison. I said that I'd agree to that. We exchanged address information and preferences for extras. He said "Sounds perfect! Thank you, bro." He even told me about another specific beer he was going to send in the box. I was confident that he'd enjoy the extras I intended to send; my trade partners typically do.

I sent a formal trade request (having learned from the debacle above) and followed up later today to ask if he could accept it. In response, he replied, "Yeah, I'm still on board for the trade, but if you can give me a day or two that'd be awesome. I need to find a box because the only ones I have left are massive and would be waaaay overkill for shipping 3 bottles + extras lol." I followed up and said that was fine, but asked again if he could accept the trade on the system. Several hours later (just minutes ago), I received this BM from @janky :

"Hey don't worry about sending that box out. I don't think it's gunna happen, sorry. These 2 are my buddys [sic] that went with me to the release. He said to trade em, since he doesn't have BA...but I guess he didn't think the deal was worth it, so now he wants to keep em. Sorry."


Cold feet? Buyer's remorse? Who knows. Thankfully I only lost time and not time and beers. I'm not here to disparage these guys--I'm sure I could enjoy a beer with either of them at any given bar. I just figured others may care to know about this for future reference.

 

Janky,

Thank you for the reply. I do appreciate you owning up to it being bad form not to disclose at any point that you were tading on behalf of someone else and that you had no real authority to negotiate or offer a deal. This all would have been helpful information up front and would have saved us this "drama."

I'd be fine leaving things be if it weren't for your characterization of our communications, which was interesting to say the least. I attempted to refrain from that in my original post, opting instead to simply summarize the facts so that everyone could simply make their mind up for themselves if this type of thing mattered to them. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. However, since you took the liberty of characterizing things, and particularly, my actions, I thought it best to simply copy, word for word, our dialogue up to the point where you finally disclosed that you were dealing on behalf of a friend and had no authority to do anything you were doing. Here it is:

You Posted:

Have:
De Garde Nelson Hose
Fremont BBA KDS Coffee Edition and Spice Wars
Jester King Fen Tao
Hill Farmstead Clara
Fantome Hiver
Pirate Bomb!
Other misc like Trinity 365 day, Parabola, Prairie, etc.
Stuff en route (will update as I pick through incoming boxes)
Want:
SARA West Ash (not holding my breath) or Maiden, possibly growlers of saison/weisses
Side Project (any - let's talk)
Tired Hands (any - let's talk)
Tree House (Julius, IPAs)
New Glarus very sour peach thing
CCB lacto apricot thing
Toppling Goliath (Assassin, Pseudo, Sosus)
Trillium (super fresh IPAs/APA)
In that order of preference.
Can do multiples of some stuff to make it fair.
I'm also not big on "whale hunting" so if anything seems a bit off, please feel free to let me know.

My initial BM to you: I have Lacto Apricot and fresh Pseudo; I'd love to try either/both of the KDS beers. Also interested in Fen Tao. I live 10min from CCB and have plenty to expand with if you're interested. Let me know! Thanks!

You: Hey thanks for the msg. How fresh is the pseudo? Those KDS variants were pretty pricey, but I'd be down to do either (your pick) + some other local goodies for both, or maybe a KDS + de garde Nelson hose for the CCB and 2 pseudos? I think CCB did a cucumber saison too didn't they? I'd do both KDS variants for the apricot, cucumber, and a sue? Let me know if that works for you, if not lmk what you'd prefer Thanks again

Me: I only have 1 Sue--got 2 in a trade last week from a buddy in Iowa so it's fresh. Let's do option 3. I can do the Apricot, Cucumber and Pseudo for the 2 KDS. I will throw in some other cool extras as well. I take it that you enjoy sours, stouts and IPAs. Same here. What's your info? Mine is: [My Address info]

You: Sounds perfect! Thank you bro. I grabbed the last of the fremont cowiche canyon so I'll toss one of those in there for ya too. I usually get boxes at my work since FedEx sucks at delivering to apts lol
[Janky's Addresss Info]

Me: Janky--can you accept the trade request, please? Thanks!

You: Yeah, I'm still on board for the trade, but if you can give me a day or two that'd be awesome. I need to find a box because the only ones I have left are massive and would be waaaay overkill for shipping 3 bottles + extras lol.

Me: No prob--just wanted to ask if you could accept the trade through the formal BA system so I wouldn't forget. It should appear in the "Pending" when you click on the trading tab.

[Several hours pass]

You: Hey don't worry about sending that box out. I don't think it's gunna happen, sorry. These 2 are my buddys that went with me to the release. He said to trade em, since he doesn't have BA... but I guess he didn't think the deal was worth it, so now he wants to keep em. Sorry.


I was very agressive? I ingored your concerns about not having shipping materials? I was condescending? I'll let others decide for themselves. As to your statement that this was "VERY short" on $4$--your beers were $34 and mine were $28? I had no idea what you spent on your beers--remember, you offered me the trade. You said not a dime was spent, yet you acknowledged that I went out to get you fresh Jai Alai as extras (along with me telling you a MZ '14, among others, was in the box as well).

Like I said, I'm not casting aspersions here. I'm just stating facts. Things didn't work out. Honestly, no "sweat off my nuts" as you put it. And the next time somebody wastes my time and reneges on a deal, I will, as you suggested, take comfort in the fact that my time hasn't been wasted more often. Thank you for asking me to think about that.

As I originally mentioned, I was hesitant to do this. I've had other trades fall apart--rarely, I will add--and just let it go. I'm sure most of us have. Had it not been for my very recent experience with @ghost_pepper78, I probably would've just taken my dry nuts home and let this go too. But if this post saves the time of any of the other 50+ people I've had perfectly fine dealings with (or any others for that matter), then I'm glad to do it. Your reply made me even more confident about that decision.

 

@blue-dream. If you can, please change the title to "Trade With Caution: ghost_pepper78 and janky." I was unaware that the term "bad trader" was reserved for certain situations, i.e., formally accepted trades on the system, people who steal beer, etc.

Anyone who reads my post can judge whether they believe @ghost_pepper78 and @janky are good or bad traders.