First Sour

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  1. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    I brewed a sour last week and it was fermenting away. krausen dropped and the beer cleared out. I pitched Lacto and then a day later a Belgium strain as recommended by my LHBS. I will take the gravity readings to see if it is done fermenting later this week. My question is do I need to transfer to a secondary for its 15 month sit or can I leave it on top of the cake? Thank you.
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Just a question... why did your LHBS have you pitch a Belgian strain after primary was already finished?
     
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  3. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    If you have Brett in there leaving it on the yeast cake is not really a big deal because the dying yeast provide food for Brett, but transferring, if you can minimize oxygen won't hurt it either. If you can't minimize the oxygen exposure it can cause problems with extended aging. Pitching a Belgian strain after primary fermentation won't really do anything and if you want it to be sour I would recommend pitching Pedio, since Lacto will probably struggle to sour the beer to your liking after primary fermentation, especially if you added hops.
     
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  4. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    OP: When you say "Belgian strain", are you referring to one of the WLP/Wyeast/other sour blends?
     
  5. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    I for got what the strain was that I used but it was pitched 24 hours after pitching the lacto.
     
  6. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Maybe it was a Brett strain?
     
  7. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    Well, then I think there are two scenarios:

    1. (Less likely) You pitched additional "Belgian" saccharomyces, which will do virtually nothing since fermentation was already complete. In this scenario, I'd leave it alone, as it won't hurt the beer to leave it in primary for a few weeks as the yeast clean up after themselves. Take regular gravity readings a couple days apart, and see if anything changes.

    2. (More likely) You pitched some brett/bug blend that was recommended by your LHBS. In this case, I'd follow @jamescain's advice and leave it in primary (glass carboy, by chance?). Put it in a closet somewhere and forget about it for a while. When it develops a pellicle, you can post pics to this thread:slight_smile:
     
  8. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    In the glass carboy it shall remain.
     
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  9. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I've left ask but one of my sours ( my first one) in primary with no I'll affects. Even up to 20 months.
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Just leave it be.

    I've got 3 sours going now, and I'm not moving any of them. They are all going to sit in the primary and stay that way until I move them to a barrel for a short time, along with some fruit for one of them.

    All of mine however have multiple strains of brett, along with lacto and pedio.
     
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  11. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    thank you and everyone for the good advice.
     
  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I would find out what this "Belgian strain" is before making any decisions. If it is a Sacc strain then you will want to rack it off the yeast as Lacto won't clean up by products of autolysis. If was a sour blend or Brett strain, then yes, feel free to leave it alone.
     
  13. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    That strain isn't going to do much at all pitching it after the fact.

    In fact Id want to leave as much dextrins and what not for the brett and pedio to eat up.

    But it sounds like you don't have pedio or brett in there so it'll be a one note song.
     
  15. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    if thats what you added your not really gonna get a sour beer, you want to add something like this

    https://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrain_detail.cfm?ID=194

    or individual strains
    https://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrain_detail.cfm?ID=146
    https://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrain_detail.cfm?ID=148
    https://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrain_detail.cfm?ID=147
     
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  16. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It'll get sour. Eventually, but probably not to sour. How many ibus was the wort? If it was more than 7-10 it won't get very sour at all with lacto alone.

    I'm thinkin you got some bad advice.
     
  18. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    I'm starting to think your right, would dumping dregs help that along or is that a bad idea
     
  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Dregs would help. I would try and get a larger pitch if you want a sour though. Wyeast roselare would do the trick. Perhaps Yeast Bay melange even. East coast yeast ecy 01 or Flemish would work.

    Dregs add diversity. Get a large commercial blend to start.
     
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  20. cwehr13

    cwehr13 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Illinois

    Would it be to late to add the roselare? @FATC1TY
     
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