Mystery Barrel Aged box

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  1. TruePerception

    TruePerception Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2013 California

    My store's mystery boxes are always made up of broke 6- or 12-packs (packs where they were dropped, but only 1 or 2 broke, but the rest are fine). As such, you get 24 12 oz. bottles (or cans) for about $17. A good deal for the customer, and the store avoids losing the value of those bottles completely. I do understand that with this mystery BA box, it can't work that way, but the store could easily give slightly more than the $200 price point, via utilizing slow movers, or giving discounts to the margin since they are selling quantity. There is no reason the store has to take the "screw the customer" route. And, it's very much to their detriment to go that way. Unhappy customers are former customers.
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That's a helluva deal at $17 for a case of craft beers. Are the selections usually pretty good stuff, or at least fairly fresh?
     
  3. TruePerception

    TruePerception Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2013 California

    Rules: No Domestic beers, no more than 3 of the same beer, no mixing of beers with ciders/alcopops (Mike's, Smirnoff's, etc.).
     
  4. tommyguz

    tommyguz Pooh-Bah (2,534) May 14, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    They aren't all the same beers right?
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Sooooo.... why not simply list what the contents are in the box, and take the mystery out of it? As a customer, I'm going to be a lot more likely to purchase a box of beer if I have some idea what it is that I'm buying. Even just listing beer styles would be a help.

    The price sounds like a good deal, but if I open the box and find out I'm now the "lucky" owner of a case of GI honkers ale, 312, magic hat #9 and the like, I'm not going to be very happy, no matter what kind of "deal" I got. I'm going to feel like the owner was trying to pull a fast one on me, dumping stuff that he made the mistake of overstocking or buying in the first place, and was using this marketing technique as a way to dump it.

    Shrug... I see this kind of nonsense all the time in the wine world, so it's hard for me to imagine why the craft beer world should be immune to this sort of behavior. I agree with the point you make, but the feeling seems to be that you're only risking losing a customer if the customer in question knows he's been screwed.
     
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  6. TruePerception

    TruePerception Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2013 California

    The customer knows they're not being screwed, because we are completely up front about how we pack the boxes. Just, not what is in them. If we told them exactly what was in them, they may not buy what was actually on the shelf. That's my guess, anyway. Honestly, the guy who usually buys them gets them for random company. He doesn't drink the beers himself. Also, people buy them to get a bunch of cheap beers with variety. They're also good for newer drinkers who aren't sure what they might like. No one's "getting screwed". Now, if we filled the case up with nothing but BMC, that would be terrible. Mystery beer boxes aren't for everyone, but there should be some kind of a value for your risk. Otherwise, you could just pick random beers yourself.
     
  7. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    In other words, you're saying these mystery beers aren't good enough to sell on their own so you have to put them in a box/brown bag to get rid of them. Seems legit!
     
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  8. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    No disrespect TruePerception, but what's wrong with doing the following:

    A customer buys a mystery box in your store, and he comes back a couple of days later, and sees a number of the same beers that were in his/her box on the shelf, with what appears to be a considerably higher price. He/she then inquires about that, puzzled about the higher price on the shelf. You explain to him what you just posted above - that the beers he received in his box were left over from damaged 6 packs and/or case containers, and while there was nothing wrong with the individual bottles you included in the box, you felt it was inappropriate to sell them at the regular retail, list price. Hene the mystery box special discount idea.

    If I was a customer, I would completely understand your explanation and applaud your candidness and creative solution. Shrug... I'm just saying. As a customer, I always appreciate open-ness and transparency in a retail ower. I suspect my viewpoint is not unique.
     
  9. TruePerception

    TruePerception Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2013 California

    Thanks for cherry picking...

    John, the problem is you're looking at this in the wrong light. Nobody is trying to screw anyone. When packaging is broken, we CANNOT sell the product as is. Mystery boxes are the only way we can sell that product. I'd imagine there are legal precedents. Or perhaps it's just typical corporate "writing it off as a loss is better than selling low" mixed with "we can still sell it this way, now", but all of this is conjecture. My point was, this system is way better than giving customers a "mystery" which is simply ripping them off. This system is a good value, with a bit of a risk, since you don't know what you will get, but that risk is mitigated by certain rules. I have no idea why you feel the need to find fault with this.
     
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  10. spaceman24

    spaceman24 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2008 Texas

    Provided the customer knows the premise, I can't see fault with this either. You're getting some decent beers for a good price, and it's kinda fun to not know what you're getting. I use Hotwire for much the same reason. I don't see how someone could be mad about what beers they got since you got them below market value.

    And if you're upset about getting Honkers or 312 at a discount, or too "good" for it, you ain't someone I'd want to have a beer with, anyway. But that's basically what this site has turned into over the past few years. So I wouldn't worry much about it, True.
     
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  11. Christopper

    Christopper Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 New York

    I would be a tad bit muffed if the beers in my mystery box were all beers I could get locally at the same price or lower. But, I would find it no fault of the people putting the boxed together. My own damn fault.
     
  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    :slight_smile: That's a shame, as you sound like the sort of guy I'd just love to chat with over a few beers.

    I don't personally like 312 or honkers, but that really wasn't my point. I simply picked out beers that in my experience, are typically slow movers in the area in which I live. It isn't that the beers are necessarily inferior, it's that for whatever reason or reasons, they're the beers (at least where I live) that you typically see languishing on the shelf, that most owners seem to have difficulty getting rid of.

    If you had read the rest of the thread on this page (I'm assuming you didn't), you'd see what I'm talking about. Some of us (not all) were suggesting that one possible reason for selling these mystery boxes was to allow retailers to unload slow moving beer that they might not be able to sell otherwise. It's not all that uncommon a practice in a variety of different retail settings (as I mentioned, it's very, very common in the wine industry), which is why I/we suggested that maybe that's what's going on here.

    That being said... if you read my last post, you'd see that I'm not entirely opposed to the idea per se, I just don't see the point behind making a mystery out of this. Maybe it's just me, as I don't find the idea of making a hotel reservation without any idea of what I might be getting fun or exciting either.
     
  13. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Maybe I really am confused. You mean you couldn't sell the exact same product (the contents of the mystery box) in some other fashion that allows customers to know what they're buying? For instance, you couldn't legally sell something you call a mystery box, but actually list somewhere on the box what the contents are? Listing the contents would then make this transaction illegal? (if that's the case, then please accept my apologies, as I had no idea that's what you were up against).

    If that's the case, then of course your idea makes complete sense. I just assumed there was some other way to sell these "remnants" that also would allow customers to know in advance what they're buying.
     
  14. Vitacca

    Vitacca Pooh-Bah (2,250) Sep 15, 2010 Montana
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    If a beer breaks or a customer swaps out one beer for another (that really pisses me off!!) I simply put the beers in the mix a six door. Problem solved.

    EDIT: Also, I feel no one would buy a mystery box in my neighborhood. It's just not worth the effort.
     
  15. spaceman24

    spaceman24 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2008 Texas

    Maybe it's my Illinois upbringing, but any man who cannot enjoy a Honkers (or Summertime, R.I.P.) is no friend of mine. Only slightly exaggerating. :slight_smile: Though I have to admit, I don't find them as good as I used to.

    I read most of the thread, and I think it's easy to get lost in it, but there's a difference between the mystery box from the OP and the "mystery" box that TruePerception was talking about. I completely agree with being upset if you spent $200 on a mystery box filled with slow movers when you were sold on getting more than your money's worth, a couple rare/great beers and all that business. In TP's case, he's talking about unloading some bottles that they couldn't otherwise sell (due to having an incomplete 12/6 pack for whatever reason) and selling them to the customer at a discount. Unless he's promising that they are in-demand or high-end beers, I don't see the problem.

    As a consumer, I'd be pretty confident that whatever beers I'm purchasing at $0.71 per bottle are not going to be Hibernation Ale or Breakfast Stout. However, I'd be pretty psyched to get something much better (IMO) than Budweiser or Coors Light for a lesser price. So I feel like it's a win-win and I don't get why one would be opposed to it. As I read it, it's not a ploy to unload slow movers, it's a way to unload beers they literally could not sell even if someone asked specifically for a 10 pack of Honkers. I have to assume there is some reason why they couldn't sell them as singles or a broken 6/12 pack.

    Either way, I'd pick up a mystery box every now and then for a cheap day drinking session. Chalk it up to a difference of opinion, I suppose. I'm sure there are plenty on both sides and I don't fault anyone for not purchasing it, I just don't get questioning the ethics of it. You don't know what you're getting, but in return, you pay less than you would if you bought a single or 6 pack of the same beer(s). I'd disagree with the idea if he were charging the same prices as they would cost normally, but since they're on discount, I think it's a neat idea.

    Plus, with Hotwire you have an idea of what type of hotel you are getting (star level, brands in that level, and reviews) before you purchase. I have saved quite a bit of money a couple times when I looked up what it would cost to book directly through the hotel or through other travel sites that list them by name and I've never been disappointed in the property, though I am a man who enjoys Honkers Ale at the Reel Big Fish show, so I'm not the most discerning of consumers. :wink:
     
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  16. tommyguz

    tommyguz Pooh-Bah (2,534) May 14, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I'm still curious as to what's in some of the other $200 boxes from this original website that was talked about.

    Our store has brown bag 6 packs for sale (not sure what the cost is) but I never seem to think to buy one because I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks on knowing what beer I am getting then spend a few less bucks and be pissed off. Maybe though when I go to Erie I will pick up a brown bag special and report back here. Could be interesting.
     
  17. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Your opinion isn't all that far from mine. Like I said, I don't really have any problem with what he's doing, but I just don't understand the reason for putting the mystery into the equatiion. Assuming you're not required to sell beer in this manner (and I'm not sure about that, one way of the other, based on his post), I think most folks would be every bit as happy and appreciative of this arrangement if they knew up front his reason for selling these mystery box beers at such a discounted price. TrueP keeps on talking about this "screwing the customer" mindset, and I'm not really sure why. I don't think that at all... but I guess I just don't understand why he doesn't avoid even a semblence of impropriety and just be up front about what folks are getting in their mystery box. I'm not an expert on human nature, by any means, but I just happen to think that most folks will be a lot less upset (assuming anyone might be) with the contents of their "mystery box" if they know in advance what they're getting, and make a conscious decison to buy it anyway. You just know that if someone does happen to buy a box of mystery beer that he/she thinks are a bunch of duds, most folks are going to blame the owner, thinking he tried to pull a fast one on them (even though I complete agree, that's not what's going on here). I just don't understand the upside to this arrangement, either from a consumer or a retailer standpoint.

    Shrug... but I'll freely admit that maybe I'm just coming from a different, extremely cautious viewpoint. I would almost always prefer to know in advance what I'm paying for with my money, even if it means I might end up paying a bit more for a particular item in the long run. For some reason I seem to always remember quite vividly the times I've been burned trying to get a hot swinging deal... I'm really not much of gambler. :slight_smile:
     
  18. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    i just want to know what was in the recent mixed boxes out of curiosity. as for whether it's theoretically a good deal in this or that scenario: pretty big "who cares?"
     
  19. tommyguz

    tommyguz Pooh-Bah (2,534) May 14, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    You bring a good point. I don't know why the store in Erie has to sell them in Brown Bags as Mystery's but I'd be more inclined to buy a mix pack (pre-mixed by the store, no matter what the beers were or why they were in there) if I knew what I was getting and it wasn't a complete mystery. I tend to picture the brown bag 6 packs as crap that doesn't sell or old stock that needs to be moved and a gimmicky way to sell it than anything. I hope they still have some next time I go so I can grab one and see what's in it. I don't remember now, after thinking about it, if they still do it or not.
     
  20. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Zealot (596) Nov 27, 2012 Illinois
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    The concept of a mystery box, in any retail setting, is to unload slow-moving inventory. You throw in a couple gems to make up for the duds - items that would have no trouble flying off the shelf. But in no case should the items in the box be of less retail value than what you paid for it. It's about unloading inventory, that's it. CBK violated that sort of basic understanding between customer and retailer.
     
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