Dry Hopping in Secondary - Question on Temps

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  1. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    I'm dry hopping by adding 3 ounces of pellets to a 5 gallon red ale in the secondary, and have done a bit of reading on this and noticed that some people advocate raising the temp. when dry hopping. The temp. currently is about 66 degrees but I could relocated and get it to around 71-72 degrees.

    Any thoughts on this?

    Thanks
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't know if many people actually raise the temp above fermentation temp for dry hopping. But in general, less contact time is needed at warm (room-ish) temps than at cold (like lagering/kegging carbonation) temps. I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do this.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I personally would not make the effort to relocate the beer; a dry hop conditioning temperature of 66 degrees should work just fine.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Thanks for the replies. I think these both make sense. It seems to me there is a bit of a trade off. If you have higher temps it requires less time, and at lower temps (within reason of fermentation temp) it would likely need to sit longer. It seems however at higher temps you do risk getting too much grassy/veggie flavor coming out.

    I'm thinking of letting it sit as is for now and taking a sample after a week.
     
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  5. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I'm dry hopping a IIPA at room temps now and it is going to the kegerator this weekend. I'll let you know if it ever changes over to vegetal, but I'm hoping not.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Keep in mind that at higher temps, you wouldn't leave the hops in as long, so it could be a wash. But I really don't know if extraction of vegetal flavors is accelerated by higher temps at more, the same, or less than the acceleration of extraction of the desirable compounds.
     
  7. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Thanks. Out of curiosity, what is your room temp?
     
  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Probably about 60 give or take a couple degrees. Took a sample last night and tastes phenomenal two days in
     
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  9. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    ultimately I would say no, don't raise your temps. Your not going to greatly speed up the process by doing so, talking with Thomas Shellhammer at Oregon State U, he said he dry hops his beers for only 24hrs. And if anything, many craft brewers would actually cool their ales before starting dry hopping, but that is more for yeast flocculation purposes. If it was a lager, then yes, raising temps up a few degrees maybe warranted, but not for ales.
    Not a whole lot addressing this specific topic, but here is a recent article which somewhat touches on the subject
     
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  10. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Follow up question:

    Anyone tend to get a lot of activity after adding dry hop pellets?

    My beer was in the primary for 5 days, and the secondary for a week prior to adding the dry hops. It's been 2 days since I added the pellet and now I can see flakes floating up and down in the beer, like it is circulating, and it seems there are a good amount of CO2 bubbles coming up and the airlock has some activity. Much more active than prior to adding them.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It sounds like you are seeing churning, rather than just some CO2 gassing off. If so, that's yeast activity, which indicates that fermentation wasn't finished when you added the hops.
     
  12. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    That's interesting, I had been in primary for 5 days and secondary for 8 more prior to adding, it seemed like the hydrometer readings were holding steady the last 5 days (before I dry hopped) but I will likely take another in a couple more days. I was hoping to wait until all of my hops had fallen off the top before I took another one!
     
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  13. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Man, I thought I kept my house cold.
     
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  14. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Haha, It is a finished basement only fire up the heat if need be.
     
  15. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Well following up on this, you were indeed correct. The yeast kicked back into gear for over a week straight and are just now slowing down. Hydrometer reading shows they were certainly working. Came down from 1.016 to 1.010. I'm thinking that they were too warm in the primary and maybe just gave up/went dormant, and when the temperature came down and I added the pellets they were agitated and went back to work at a more ideal temperature...
     
  16. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    My new method that has given me the best hop character I've ever had is to:

    1. Cold condition the primary fermenter mid 30s F for 3 days
    2. Rack to keg with shortened dip tube (2'' cut off) on top of dry hops. I add hops, close, flush with CO2, rack via auto siphon to keg through the outpost disconnect to reduce oxygen pickup.
    3. Start dry hop at 60 F then reduce temp by 5 F a day until 35 F then hold 2 days and jump to serving keg.
    4. During dry hop keep head pressure ~2 psi CO2 on gas in.
     
  17. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    That's odd. I doubt if it was 'too warm' for the yeast: yeast tend to become more active at higher temps. It's definitely strange to drop six gravity points after 5 days of holding at 1.016. I would continue to take readings for a while: if it continues to drop, you might have a bug in there. What yeast was it, anyway?
     
  18. brewjockey

    brewjockey Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 California

    Yeast was Windsor
     
  19. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Hmmm ... I've not used that yeast, but I understand it's kind of medium attenuator, so it would probably be expected that it would slow down or stop somewhere around 1.016. I would think that it's not normal for it to perk up again and go all the way down to 1.010, but perhaps some others who've used this yeast can speak to that?

    It's hard to say without knowing all the details, but given that you were apparently expecting an FG of about 1.016, I would be wary of a possible infection now that it's gone down six more points. Take a reading, and take a taste. It's probably fine, but just make sure gravity is not still dropping before you bottle.
     
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