Any bad/average breweries at start eventually become excellent?

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  1. Patbrown2

    Patbrown2 Zealot (627) Nov 27, 2013 Connecticut

    Curious what breweries you're thinking of that strike gold almost immediately

    As others have pointed out, it seems to me its almost impossible to do this. Learning curve exists for most everyone. Now, you might see a certain brewer's 2nd attempt strike gold.....
     
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  2. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Savant (1,083) Mar 13, 2010 Wisconsin

    Wasn't that their premise for bolt cutter or why they commemorated a pair of them with a beer?
     
  3. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,705) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    I can't say I was overly impressed with Half Acre at their initial start. I loved Daisy Cutter, but didn't see myself as a Gossamer or Over Ale drinker and early iterations of Space IPA didn't really do anything for me. That being said, I think that Half Acre has exploded into being the best brewery in the city. Daisy Cutter has remained their staple, but with so many new offerings available, and almost all of them hitting the mark, they are definitely my favorite local brewery now.
     
  4. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Not quite in line with what the OP wanted, but I think Sixpoint has a bit of an inverted bell curve thing going on. Strong start, dipped when they grew and first started contracting out some of their beers, but are now back in a strong place again.
     
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  5. Beardaxe

    Beardaxe Devotee (367) Sep 29, 2014 Connecticut

    I don't know what the time frame is for "almost immediately," but two examples I know of firsthand are Cigar City and Toppling Goliath.

    I lived in Tampa when CCB first opened and remember them asking for volunteers to help them bottle. It seemed that in a ridiculously short period of time they went from a curiosity to a local phenomenon. Every beer geek I knew in Tampa fell in love with them as quickly as I did.

    I then moved to Iowa City and lived there when TG first started coming into the city. Back then, I think it was only Golden Nugget kegs that came through, and it felt like it took the local craft scene by storm. It was all I and a number of friends drank for a long while. The hype machine started quick with them and never died down.
     
  6. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Yes I agree, that is why I thought trying to identify the brewers that struggle for at least 3-5 years with average or subpar stuff, before they really find their "voice" and release lots of good beers later on. I know of several that have wained or just start out very strong out of the gate, but didn't know of many that struggled for years then started pumping out lots of great stuff at a later date.
     
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  7. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    One of my favorite local places . Extra Billy's had less than good beer until they hired a different brewmaster. Prior to his arrival, the last beer I had from them actually tasted like watery tequila. And not in a good way. Ever since he started though, everything I've had has been spot on or better. I'd hope that by now most people that were previously disappointed have given them another shot.
     
  8. Raj

    Raj Maven (1,272) Jun 25, 2014 Illinois
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    I would add Revolution to the list. Their earlier offerings were very average, but between year round anti-hero and their BA offerings, they are putting out some awesome stuff.
     
  9. BoardwalkBock

    BoardwalkBock Pooh-Bah (2,041) Aug 18, 2012 New York
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    I would say, while not considered "excellent" yet IMO, Otter Creek and Long Trail have definitely upped their games in recent years. Otter Creek especially. I used to think their beers were mediocre at best but there new seasonal offerings have been pretty solid.

    I'd also have to agree with @rollom about Sixpoint. I was never a huge fan of their beers, just thought they were okay, but in the last 4-5 years there beers have just become downright excellent.
     
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  10. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    Almanac Beer Company has been brushing excellence for a bit more than a year now.
     
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  11. Dansac

    Dansac Pundit (912) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    Not excellent by any means, but Golden Road went from undrinkable to fairly good. At least a few of their IPA offerings (Wolf Among Weeds, Heal the Bay...)
     
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  12. riemster

    riemster Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2011 Ohio

    Jester King was an average brewery at first.

    Then Atrial Rubicite came out during the summer of 2013.

    Now they can't stop making amazing fruited sours.
     
  13. Justinsosmart

    Justinsosmart Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 California

    Noble Ale Works in Orange County was meh until Evan took over. Now they have a ton of hits.
     
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  14. BMMillsy

    BMMillsy Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Florida

    I've been holding out for great things from Swamp Head, but they haven't made the jump. New brewery about finished so hopefully they were waiting for that to start getting crazy. Great beers in Tropical Disturbance, Smoke Signal, Day Trippin', and Peat Dunwoody. But Smoke Signal gets inconsistent, those IPAs are rarely around, and Peat Dunwoody was only 60 bottles (and I am told will never be made again). The awesome beers are extremely few and far between and there's a lot of stuff I just want to ask them "why bother with this"?

    Crossing my fingers they start going in the direction I saw with Peat Dunwoody. Great guys there and always friendly and helpful.
     
  15. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Jester King has alot of street cred here on BA website. I haven't been lucky enough to find any yet on travels. So prior to Summer of 2013 were they making bad sours, or did they get into the sour beer scene with Atrial Rubicite being one of their original offerings and launched them into greatness?
     
  16. LittleDog

    LittleDog Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2014 Texas

    Locally, in ATX, they were "in favor" long before Rubicite. And I'm not their cheerleader. I don't generally like sours, theirs included. But to each their own.
     
  17. Sponan

    Sponan Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2008 Tennessee

    Cigar City had multiple infection issues, along with recalls for other issues in the early days. The learned and eliminated the issues.
     
  18. Beardaxe

    Beardaxe Devotee (367) Sep 29, 2014 Connecticut

    Sure, but that was more of a QC issue than one of ability/ambition. Despite those issues, they were still making some great stuff from pretty early on.
     
  19. Robdn

    Robdn Initiate (0) May 23, 2014 Ohio

    I'd put Columbus Brewing Company in this category. I remember them in the late 90's being just "meh", but then it was enough to be "better than Bud." They've changed ownership since then, narrowed their focus, and now seem to hit home run after home run. If you're ever in the Columbus area, do yourself a favor and seek out their Bodhi or Creeper (their regular IPA and Pale Ale are pretty good too).
     
  20. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    BG's only been open for 8 months, I'd still consider them in the start-up phase. I was going to mention Draai Laag - they had a decent start, got shaky pretty fast, but lately have really righted themselves.
     
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