Märican Biere Bought and Drunk...

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  1. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    Nope. But it's been many years since I've brewed something as delicate as a Pils. It's just something I might do the next time I brew a Pils or a Kolsch. It couldn't hurt.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “It couldn't hurt.” True enough.

    I have two Pilsners in my lagering chamber right now: Bohemian Pilsner and CAP. I did not skim either of those beers. I follow the John Palmer method of “simply letting it cling to the sides of the fermentor."

    Cheers!
     
  3. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I have heard some German brewers attribute the harshness described to higher beta acids in the bittering addition. Due to that, some use noble aroma hops through the entire process. Take it for what it's worth, I have no notable source.
     
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  4. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Heard that one, too. And since we're quoting Palmer, he says something similar: "[Astringency] can also be caused by over-hopping during either the bittering or finishing stages..."
     
  5. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Had a wonderfully fresh (just a hair over two weeks old) Sierra Nevada Beer Camp Hoppy Lager this evening. I know hopped up lagers are a touchy subject around here, but it seemed to me that this iteration did the style justice. The hops were clear and present, as expected, and rather floral in nature. But, there was certainly an identifiable and satisfying bready malt core too. Certainly worth a run out, IMO.
     
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  6. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Is there a true "style?" I don't think so, the "trend" is toward more hops, so brewers are just adding them to established styles -- not so much creating a new style, per se.
     
  7. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    No, no, merely meant that it did the lager style justice well enough, in spite of the generous hopping. I think I was trying to say that, "IPL" though it may be, it at least still had characteristics of a lager, which, frankly, can't be said of all such brews.
     
  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Good to know. It hasn't shown up in my area yet, so I can't make my own assessment, but it's on the list.
     
  9. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Would definitely be interested to hear you take, should you pick one up.
     
  10. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Just saw Nooner Pilsner from SN on the shelves this week - anyone try yet?
     
  11. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Got one sitting in the fridge -- should get around to it in the next couple days:slight_smile:
     
  12. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    The Nooner and Hoppy Pilsner are 25 miles or more from me at this point. Typical of the SN distro in my area, we're always a couple months behind the release curve. :astonished:
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I had a couple this weekend; on draft and a bottle. I thought the draft version had a very big bready malt backbone with some hop flavor/aroma. The bottle version had a nice balance of bready malt and hop flavor/aroma. I really, really like the bottled Nooner Pilsner. I enjoyed drinking the draft Nooner Pilsner but preferred the balance of the bottled version.

    Both versions had a nice firm bitterness.

    I will be buying more Nooner Pilsner in the future.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Haven't seen it yet, but I will certainly pick some up when I see it. I'm looking forward to trying it.
     
  15. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Consumed already both bottled and draft....@JackHorzempa is always ahead of the curve...
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I do what I do!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Domingo once described it to me as tasting like over-steeped tea to him, and that resonated with me personally.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For those who would be interested in learning more about astringency there is a great article that is linked below.

    Some snippets from this article:

    · “Astringency has since been considered a tactile sensation, with similar physiological mechanisms as pain, heat, cold, and pressure.”

    · “Astringency, as it’s understood in sensory science, is generally described as a rough, dry sensation across the oral cavity.”

    Cheers!

    https://beersensoryscience.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/astringency/
     
  19. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Right. And "taste" is not just about gustatory but also olfactory and tactile (think carbonation) sensations.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Astringency in beer is not a flavor per se but a mouthfeel issue.”

    Cheers!
     
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