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  1. Franziskaner

    Franziskaner Grand Pooh-Bah (5,662) May 27, 2005 Missouri
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    Love brown ales,schwarzbiers,black ales,rye beers,milk stoutsweizenbocks,scotch ales,and wild ales. I love IPA's and BBA beers,too. You have to mix it up or you don't appreciate the brews as much.
     
  2. beerophilia

    beerophilia Aspirant (217) Oct 8, 2011 Washington

    Biere de Garde, Belgian Strong Dark, Bocks (especially Doppel), Czech Pilsners.
     
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  3. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    You know what? If I can get a few "Likes" for rauchbiers, then you should definitely get a few for witbiers.

    I like 'em a lot. There are some tasty options around here, like Fort George Quick Wit and Logsdon Kili Wit. Cascade sometimes makes a nice tart witbier, but I haven't had that one in a while.
     
  4. hopnado

    hopnado Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2014 Michigan

    I won't be satisfied til hop cones are floating in my quad IPA like little marshmallows in cocoa
     
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  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    You can't offer the same but you can offer an equal or even greater overall experience.
    It's a pity that having been freed from the shackled of flavourless macro lagers that people have begun to think that intensity of flavour is all.But there's more than one way to skin a cat.
    Rather than blast down the highway it's possible to reach the same destination by choosing to drive leisurely along the pretty way.
    I am lucky enough to be able to find terrific cask mild locally and believe me it's intensely satisfying.IMO far more so than a mere few ounces of some super brew.
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  6. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I was in the UK last week for work and drank cask bitters and ESBs nearly exclusively. My coworkers thought it would be a nice taste of home for me to take me to a bar where they had Sam Adams on tap. I respectfully declined for cask offerings. I was in heaven.

    For a long time I've fantasized about opening a brewery that specializes in UK-style beers and serving. That's been brought back to mind. If nothing else, I'm brewing a bitter in the next couple weeks. Maybe someday I'll make myself a beer engine for a home bar...it's actually the whole reason I started brewing. I couldn't find flavorful (not a 'session IPA', cuz fuck that), low ABV beers (4% or less), so now I make my own.
     
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  7. patdunkel

    patdunkel Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2014 Wisconsin

    Absolutely hate these beers. Don't know why and wish I didn't. I love smoked meat, I smoke meat myself even, but smoke in beer is terribly off-putting to me. I have a Yazoo in my fridge from a trade and can't bring myself to open it up. Maybe I'll make chili with it:grinning:
     
  8. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Thanks for your reply, I half replied with that response to see if there were any I was overlooking (not that I look incredibly hard for them, I should though). I really dig Boulevard and have yet to sample a poor offering from them. I'll have to try these!

    Allagash White at 5% abv is also one of those incredibly sessionable beers that is always overlooked as one on this website. And yes, St. Bernardus Wit is incredible, and truly a benchmark for this style.
     
  9. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Keep in mind that they are generally either excellent or off-putting. If you haven't tried one of the best regarded smoked beers then don't give up on them entirely. If you have access to Alaskan Smoked Porter try that- it may just get your foot in the door.

    Naturally, the Schlenkerla beers are awesome, too, as long as they aren't too old and dusty.
     
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  10. horsehockey

    horsehockey Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2014 Illinois

    I don't like Barrel Aged beers. DIPAs are good but not all the time. I would call the beers you described occasion beers. I drink DIPAs and Imperial stouts when the mood hits me. The mood generally hits me more during the winter. The other beers: porters, regular stouts, pale ale, saisons, bocks, lagers, etc....... are what I might call every day beer. These are beers I don't feel bad about opening and enjoying on a Monday night.

    Most people aren't getting in line for porters and pale ales because there is great supply of those beers. Why would I wait in line for pale ale when I can stop by the quick mart and get a 6 pack of it? There is hype around the DIPAs and BA beers because of limited supply. If you don't show up for a bottle release party to get the beer you probably wont get it unless you find a good trader.
     
  11. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    You know I'm a harsher critic than most, and while Jack's Abby offerings are hit or miss for me (the hits are great though) you need to get your hands on their barrel-aged baltic porter, Framinghammer. I'm not a HUGE fan of the barrel-aging concept, but this one just works. They do a superb job with it. In addition to that, our local Smuttynose makes a fantastic baltic porter too.

    We should hang out.

    I don't see it as a pity. I see the American IPA as a gateway from macro lagers to more subtle styles. I've noticed those who start out with craft these days in the US are all about hops and barrel-aged beers, but slowly get bored and look for a bit more in their beer. Enter UK cask ales and German lagers. This isn't to say you ever completely abandon hops and bourbon, you simply expland your choices.

    As an aside, I love/hate it when you post these pictures. Other than a world class pilsner, a mild or bitter properly taken care of on cask are arguably my favorite beers.
     
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  12. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    I love a good Munich Dunkel Lager
     
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  13. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (723) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    Brown ales, weizenbocks, wits, porters, pilsners, cream ales, and oatmeal stouts all are represented in the beers that I have given five stars to on untappd.

    And I flipping LOVE malts in my IPAs. Gimme more of them malts.
     
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  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Okay, I'm gonna be the one to say it -- it looks like every other style, but IPA has been listed as "under-appreciated" in this thread. Coincidence here at BA? I think not. :grinning:
     
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  15. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (604) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    Well in complete honesty you are preaching to the choir. I happened to mention mild ale because it so happens to be one of my favorite styles. However, mild ales are much more rarely found in the US, and a cask mild would be bordering on unfathomable to find.

    And if this helps clarify, when I say that people want robust flavor, one of the things I am thinking about is that these outrageous strong ales are kind of kitschy. I think that using the word "kitsch" helps clarify my point. When you say "think that intensity of flavor is all," I disagree because I don't think that wanting intensity of flavor is very thoughtful. I don't think anyone on this site thinks that intensity of flavor is all there is to beer, and that the more there is added to beer the better it gets. It's that those beers literally are easy. You taste a coconut infused BBA Imp Stout and it doesn't take much to appreciate it and understand it. It is giving you an experience that requires you put forth zero effort. It takes effort to appreciate everything there is to appreciate about a mild ale or an american wheat beer. So when we are exhausted after our brutal 12 hour work day, it's much more appealing to drink the beer that is a form of entertainment that requires zero effort. So it's not individual buyers to blame for not appreciating all of the wonderful shelf beers that have emerged since our departure from a market dominated by lite lagers, it's culture I think. To flip your analogy on it's head, drinking the most intensely flavored beer is the more leisurely scenic route. The cask mild ale is more comparable to a hike over a mountain, something most people unfortunately don't have time for.
     
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  16. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I really do wonder exactly what that 'ick- malty!!1!!' crowd means sometimes. All IPAs have a good amount of malt in them. Nobody would enjoy a beer, any style, that is like 90% attenuated with high bitterness. Maybe they don't like caramel malt and associate its flavor with all malt? Maybe they are really talking about balance between IBUs/Final gravity/water profile, but take it out on the poor malts in general? Who knows...
     
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  17. Spiral517

    Spiral517 Zealot (687) Sep 17, 2013 Maryland

    i love almost all of the many styles i have tried, but definitely gravitate to ipas and dipas. i also love the big barrel aged stouts. i agree with the many folks who suggest its because of the big, bold flavors. i think for me i like them best because i usually just have one, or occasionally two beers at any one time. so i want something that is going to make that experience memorable, or make me say "wow". perhaps if i sat down to "knock back some brews" more regularly i would more often go for the subtler styles.
     
  18. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (723) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    Never understood the criticism. Don't even understand how it is a valid criticism. Is 90 Minute no longer considered a good beer these days?
     
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  19. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)


    I feel like I should put you on ignore so that I don't have to be subjected to this kind of post at work, in the middle of cask wasteland Alberta.

    At least I have a trip back home planned!
     
  20. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Hefeweizen's are my top pick... I can't get enough of the good ones and seem to be under-appreciated.
     
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