Brewing with Sodium Chloride

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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Anyone have experience brewing with NaCl aka Salt (like Mortons Purex all purpose salt)? Both sodium and chloride in moderate levels ppm accentuate malt sweetness and have been noted to "soften" the mouthfeel from my understanding.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I have used non-iodized table salt a few times, when I wanted to add chloride without adding calcium, and also wanted to enhance the malt flavors a little. It takes a lot of it before you can detect a salty flavor.
     
  3. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @VikeMan , what source you use for calculating ppm of the addition? I've searched in my brewing books and online and can't find ppm ratio of sodium:chloride.
     
  4. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I brewed a gose using approximately 1/2 ounce of sea salt (which is almost entirely sodium chloride) in a 2.5-gallon batch. The saltiness was noticeable but not overwhelming. I definitely think it enhanced the sweetness of the beer, which along with the sourness and the fruitiness contributed by the coriander and US-05 made for a very nice result.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I use BrewCipher, which has @utahbeerdude's water models in it, so I don't think about it. But the mass ratio of Na : Cl is approximately 65%.
     
  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    @VikeMan I too am interested in the ppm Sodium for added maltiness w/o any salty flavors.

    EDIT: BrewCipher doesn't state the ppm range.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You mean a recommended range? No, it doesn't. I didn't think that's what @hoptualBrew was looking for. But here's a link to the thread where I reported on my dosing experiments. (And I never did do the follow-on experiments or finalize the recipe. Guess I got distracted by something or other.) http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/im-out-of-pretzels.158079/
     
  8. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    http://spontaneousfunk.blogspot.com/2015/01/saisons-farmhouse-ales-general-thoughts.html?m=1

    I am looking into 'perfecting' a saison recipe and came upon this post (great blog) about Na & Cl in saison to round out the mouthfeel. I emailed Morton salt about their Purex all purpose salt tech info and they sent me this just now but I am wanting to compare info for validity:

    "You asked how much salt would need to be added to 118 gallons of beer, so that the solution will contain 150 ppm chloride (Cl) and 75 ppm sodium (Na). The desired ratio is roughly 1/3 Na and 2/3 Cl. Salt is 39 % Na and 61 % Cl, so the elemental composition of salt is slightly different. I have calculated how much salt to add if you want to target the Na or Cl.

    For the 118 gallons to contain 150 ppm Cl, you would need to add 110.45 g of salt. This amount would provide 97.3 ppm Na.

    For the 118 gallons to contain 75 ppm Na, you would need to add 85.16 g of salt. This amount would provide 115.7 ppm Cl"
     
  9. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @jbakajust1 , in Water book there are parameters and How to Brew but nothing on ppm ratio in salt for some reason. Makes me think nobody uses NaCl in brewing?
     
  10. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    So in terms of adding some data points, I added 1/2 ounce to 2.5 gallons, which works out to about 5.7 grams per gallon. The saltiness was, as stated above, noticeable but not overwhelming.

    In his gose, @OldSock added 14 grams in a 5 gallon batch, which is 2.8 grams per gallon. He stated that the salt was a little light and added some more at bottling. However, he presumably meant "a little light" relative to what you might expect from a gose.

    Both of these cases are probably way more salt than you are considering adding, but maybe it helps to have an upper bound in gaming this out.
     
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  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    These numbers are right.
     
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  13. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Nah, but I got ahold of the blog from some thread on here last week, is good stuff. Your blog too I read often.
     
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  14. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    You don't want "almost entirely sodium chloride". You want to get as close as you can possibly get to pure sodium chloride. Canning salt is your best bet - even purer than kosher salt.
     
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  15. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I hear what you're saying, but I think a lot of people have successfully used sea salt when brewing gose. Yes, its composition seems to be a bit heavier on other ions than I would have thought, but I don't think a little sulfate (when compared to the vast amount of chloride) or potassium is going to cause much of a problem. I do think it's probably a good idea to stay away from iodized salt. Also, I wouldn't use pink salt, which gets its color from iron oxide. But I thought the sea salt tasted fine and I would use it again.
     
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  16. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Tasting fine is fine. But consider that chocolate tastes fine. That doesn't mean it is a good addition to beer (yes, it could be, but bear with me!). Canning salt is as close as you're gonna get to pure sodium chloride. And its widely available. If you're looking fpr sodium chloride, that's what you want. Sea Salt gets its unique flavor from impurities. Think about it.
     
  17. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    FWIW, not looking to exceed threshold level with any Sodium or Choride additions, just planning to get in medium range ppm for mouthfeel enhancement.
     
  18. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I am kegging my Coffee Porter tonight, and now you have me thinking... Once the coffee notes are where I want them and it is all carbed up I will be doing some dosing with Canning Salt to 50/97 (ppm, Na/Cl), 75/135, and 100/174 in the glass to see what it does for the beer. If I enjoy the results I will scale up on my next rendition of this one.
     
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  19. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey


    According to Palmer...

    "At levels of 70 - 150 ppm it rounds out the beer flavors, accentuating the sweetness of the malt. But above 200 ppm the beer will start to taste salty."
     
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  20. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Pls tag me with results!
     
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