historical german beer styles recreations

Discussion in 'Germany' started by Lurchus, Feb 22, 2015.

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  1. Lurchus

    Lurchus Zealot (733) Jan 19, 2014 Germany

    Despite all the Hype around american inspired Craft Ales going on in germany, some of the younger brewers also recreate historical styles. What are you experiences with those beers? Do you think they should go for autenticity or more of a modern re-interpretation?

    I just had a Kraft Bräu Imperial Mumme.
    It was nice, but what from i read about the historical Mumme, totally "wrong". Kinda fruity, red wine notes, cherries, dark chocolate, bit of a roast thing going on. And fizzy, not overy full bodied for the strength. More of a Porter to me than what i expect from a Mumme. But nice nonetheless.
     
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  2. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    Good thread idea (if this hasn't been done before). Idk about the whole "should they do this? should they do that?" Personally, I've never even heard of that beer style and I'm always a bit skeptical when it comes to this is how it 'should' taste because if it's a reinterpretation of a historical style - how do we know what it's 'supposed' to taste like? (unless of course you have solid sources and have tried 'authentic' reinterpretations)

    Generally I'd say it doesn't necessarily matter if it's not completely off balance, particularly if you like it. It may just become more of a semantic/naming issue. Also, are you referring to Kraft Bräu in Trier?
     
  3. Lurchus

    Lurchus Zealot (733) Jan 19, 2014 Germany

    For one, there is historical data aviable on historic styles off different sorts. When the end product goes completely aiganst them, i think the name is kind of misleading.
    if someone makes a beer called adambier and makes it bottom fermenting, weak in alcohol, weakly hopped and pale, something is wrong XD
    and yes I am referritng to Kraft Bräu in Trier. :slight_smile:
     
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  4. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    As I said, if there is solid data available and particularly if there are interpretations according to that data (so you actually have something to compare it to, that's fine). I do agree with your point on terminology if that's the case. Greene King's Hop Monster is another nice example, it does not really live up to what you'd expect as something marketed as a DIPA (which doesn't make it bad, though).

    When have you tried this beer? I was just there this week getting a few bottles, I didn't know they had some new beers in the pub.
     
  5. Lurchus

    Lurchus Zealot (733) Jan 19, 2014 Germany

    just this afternoon. i dont know what they bottle but in the pub there is always something interesting nowadays. at least sebs pale ale is on more often than not.
     
  6. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    Huh, good to know. I need to stop by the brewpub again at some point soon, the last time I really had a beer there was last year in Oct. Haven't yet found too many people here with time/willing to drive up there for a beer. Yeah, I remember liking the Pale Ale.

    Speaking of other historical recreations, I did have a sour Altbier by The Monarchy last year in summer which I've quite enjoyed. It was quite refreshing given that it was hot as balls outside. I'm not sure whether sour Altbiers are 'authentic', though.
     
  7. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Münster Alt is supposed to be sour.

    Me and Sebastian Sauer are supposed to be brewing a Mumme this year. The one we're looking at has an FG of over 1200º.
     
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  8. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    I'd like someone to brew a Berliner Braunbier. No guessing involved - I've got a detailed recipe.
     
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  9. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Just a hunch, but I'm sure there are a few breweries in/around Berlin who would be happy to oblige.
     
  10. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    I'm pretty sure it was a Münster Alt. As I said, I definitely liked it, particularly in summer. I'm sorry, FG?
    Also, does anyone have any sources on the "Mumme"? As I said, I've never actually heard of that beer style before.

    I'd be inclined to agree with this with all the breweries that have come out of nowhere in Hamburg and Berlin in the recent past and particularly with an interest in reviving traditional local styles.
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  12. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I would hope so, too. But a recent look at the lineups for the Berlin Craft Beer Fest revealed very few breweries interested in doing such historic styles. Most were either U.S.-style hoppy offerings or the usual German brewpub suspects.
     
  13. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Is that guy Bogk still around?
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe Stone (@StoneGreg) will brew a Berliner Braunbier when the Stone –Berlin brewery opens up?

    Cheers!
     
  15. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    That would certainly be interesting. I'm still wondering as to how they will handle the distribution given the recent hammer that came down on Camba for their Milk Stout since it doesn't seem to be solely a labelling issue. Of course, when nobody notices no one cares but I kinda doubt that a brewery with a bit more of a profile will fly under the radar for long.
     
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  16. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I would love to see that recipe too @patto1ro
     
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  17. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Maybe not after they see the recipe.
     
  18. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Is it one of those low gravity beers with sweeteners in it?
     
  19. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Maybe.

    Extreme beer in a totally different way.
     
  20. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Somewhat akin to Swedish svagdricka in other words: top fermented, low gravity (below 6% plato) and sweetened with saccharine or some other sweetener. I have to imagine though that that beer style, just as svagdricka did, developed from second running beers made from stronger worts without sweeteners (albeit with seriously poor degrees of attenuation).
     
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