Spring Seasonals: Saisons vs Bocks

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  1. BeerVikingSailor

    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    While recently gathering a "goat-load" of one of my favorite beer styles, the Bock, for upcoming 3/21 Rock Out with your Bock Out for WBAYDN thread.....got me to thinking

    Bock beers do not seem to get that much love, and spring saisons seem to be becoming more and more popular.....one of my fav breweries, Anchor, dropped their bock (which I really enjoy!) in favor of their new Spring Saison.....it is a good beer, don't get me wrong, but I wish they had kept their Bock beer in the line-up...

    Which style do you favor as a late winter / early spring beer.....(and I do not mean just from Anchor, just a general question)

    The Bock (in its many incarnations, doppelbocks, eisbocks, etc) or saison style??
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  2. bleakies

    bleakies Maven (1,355) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I go for the bocks when winter's drawing to a close. I tend to see far fewer bocks than saisons generally and the latter are available to me year-round whereas bocks are more typically seasonal in availability. And writing this is making me look forward to this year's appearance of Berkshire Brewing Maibock. Doppelbocks are easier for me to find but I often want something a bit smaller... though I drank a lot of Pretty Things Bocky Bier doppelbock even though it was released in the autumn. Wishful thinking, I guess.

    (Is there supposed to be anything specifically springish about spring saisons or do brewers just call them that when offering them as a spring seasonal?)
     
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    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    I think, like in this case with Anchor, they have made it their spring seasonal, by adding lemongrass, lemon, and ginger, and using Belgian yeast strain.....saison's can be out pretty much anytime, depending on the treatment a brewer gives it....saisons are typically pretty light and refreshing, and would lend themselves to a spring release.
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It's still surprising to me how the most popular (over the near two century history of lager brewing in this country), traditional "seasonal" beer style in the US - Bock Beer - has never really caught on in the "craft era". The announcement of "Bock Beer Day" by local breweries was once a common event. Take this ad from the New York City and New Jersey brewers' organizations:
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  5. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    I am definitely a bock guy.
     
  6. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    I'd probably prefer a bock, but it would depend on the saison. I love the american style saison. I'd take that over a bock almost everytime. If we're talking about the sub par attempts at the traditional belgian style many breweries do, or even most actual traditional belgian saisons...I'll pass more times than not.
     
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  7. YamBag

    YamBag Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Heller Bock is my go to spring beer.
     
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  8. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I prefer Saisons to Bocks...Dopplebocks are a different story
     
  9. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I guess I prefer the bocks, but mostly because I like the variants more (i.e. dopplebock, weizenbock, maibock, etc.). My tastes are probably very American (bigger = better) in that way.

    However if I'm honest with myself I don't buy either style very often. The better bocks are imported with questionable freshness and there are only a handful of saisons that do much for me. If I'm in a "spring" mood I'm much more likely to pick up a fresh pilsner, ESB, APA, or IPA.
     
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  10. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Saisons are probably my least favorite style, so I'm gonna go bock (once you go bock...).
     
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  11. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Bocks all the way for me. I like Saisons, mostly the traditional Euro brands, and only occasionally at that. It is way more likely for me to get a craft Saison and find it overpoweringly sour and bad!
     
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    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    That is very cool! Thanks for posting that!
     
  13. nkelley77

    nkelley77 Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2013 Massachusetts

    I love dopple bocks during the winter shoveling and found a new love for helles bocks with Victory Cultivator. Even with that said, I am a saison guy.
     
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    BeerVikingSailor Grand Pooh-Bah (3,667) Nov 19, 2009 Ohio
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    Not sure if this a local thing, but when talking to a friend recently about bock beers, he related that people around here (NE Ohio) would label bock beers the "dregs" of whatever remained left over in various kegs, all mixed together.....anyone else ever hear such a weird thing about bocks? Is this why people do not like them, some sort of weird (and un-true!) cultural bias against bocks, thinking they are made from left over beer from kegs??
     
  15. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yes, similar myths - usually stated to be some variation that bocks are released in the Spring because "...that's when the breweries clean out the dregs from their lagering tanks..." * have been around since, at least, the late 1800s in the US. Even when bocks had all but died out the 1960s-1980s, people would still relate that bit of brewing "trivia". :rolling_eyes:

    * EDIT - Here's on from a San Antonio Light and Gazette article on Bock Beer, dated March, 1910, and quoting a customer at a local bar:
     
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  16. TheNightwatchman

    TheNightwatchman Initiate (0) Mar 28, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Give me a maibock! I can find good saisons all year, but finding a good maibock in November is not nearly as easy.
     
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  17. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    Possibly. I remember when I was younger people always used to say the discount brand beers were run off mopped up off the floor from the 'better' brands. It must just be something people say regardless of location. Didn't stop me from tossing back my Milwaukee's Best though.
     
  18. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    I had always heard that the brewers threw the dregs into a tank all year long. The bock was then the clarified top of these dregs. I actually believed it in the late seventies. I think I was skeptical enough not to repeat it though. I always wondered how big of a tank you would need and if it was possible. Another good one is that a stout was made by burning the grains. I guess not 100% false just 95%.
     
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  19. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Bocks in a perfect world with more Dopples please. Here I have room for both, not that spoiled for choice...
     
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  20. irishpride

    irishpride Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2009 New York

    Wagner Valley Brewery Trippelbock It's my beer of choice, living in upstate NY
     
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