Is brewing an art or a science?

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  1. lordofthemark

    lordofthemark Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Virginia

    I have been reading the thread on whether BMC can make any of the most desired craft beers, and it occurred to me that the discussion is very different from, say, some things I have read about winemaking. At least for the better wines, IIUC, the wine maker examines the particular attributes of the grapes (which are a question of local terroir and vintage specific factors), and then decides what to do with them - there are many decisions from blend (if any) to different aspects of vinification and aging, that must be made. And they cannot be made by recipe, but have to be revisited at the different steps between crush and bottling. And are made, to some degree, by creativity and intuition. Thus the winemaker's art.

    There are of course also many decisions in beer making - but the impression I get from the other thread is that all of those can be reduced to a recipe - including the ingredients, fermentation temperatures, etc. Such that well trained scientists and engineers can replicate a given beer more or less exactly. I don't think anyone would look to exactly replicate a high end wine.

    On the other hand beer is not vintage dated, right? So it would seem even a small, "artisanal" craft brewer is artistic in that first recipe, but expects to replicate the product identically in the future?

    Note this is not meant at all to suggest that coming up with the recipe is not an art.
     
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  2. deadonhisfeet

    deadonhisfeet Pooh-Bah (2,481) Apr 23, 2011 Kentucky
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    I used to think it was a science until I tried BCBCS. That beer is a goddamn work of art.
     
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  3. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Both. There's science involved but the application of that science to producing a product also includes art. Its not an either or type situation.
     
  4. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,233) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    Neither -- it's a craft.
     
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  5. qchic

    qchic Maven (1,303) Jul 6, 2004 Maryland

    Magic
     
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  6. crowellbw

    crowellbw Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2010 Washington

    Its science and art. The chemistry and physics are incredibly complex so lots of 'rules of thumb' end up getting used to piece together the final product, and thats where the art comes into play. Someone with a complete understanding of all the temperature dependence of the reactions wouldn't require these shortcuts, but those people are few and far between.
     
  7. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Is brewing an art or a science?

    Yes.
     
  8. Aye

    Aye Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 England

    Alchemy
     
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  9. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I agree with this and I think the line is really blurry up to a point. It is an confluence of the two, speaking as an engineer in the food biz who works with machines that GD well better do what they are designed to do every day. I have one that doesn't and the SOB drives me insane (yeah - it IS a short drive...)

    I think the art comes in with the original recipe development and continues during the early production - where you may say "hmmm...that doesn't look/smell/taste quite right" and make an adjustment or play the "I wonder what happens if..." game. But every step of the way, science is certainly being applied - mash temperature/time, water chemistry, etc. Yeast biology is so critical. It is a combination of science (growth phases, pitching rates, etc) and art (which yeast to pick, fermentation conditions to some extent). Maybe all the sensory "science" - taste, mouthfeel, aroma - leans towards the art side because it relies on the brewer's vision. Understanding how these things all interact - to me that is art because it is more the skill of the individual brewer. There are certainly underlying scientific principles involved, but the vision and innate understanding of how components interact and the application of said science to achieve a desirable result - I would call art. It isn't like buying a heat exchanger where I know my flow rates, delta-T, heating media, etc - there's no art involved there.

    It's more scientific when you've built the recipe (or use an established one) and trying to replicate it - then it seems like straightforward process control.
     
  10. jlsims04

    jlsims04 Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2013 Illinois

    Both. But like others have said its a "craft"
     
  11. reprob8

    reprob8 Initiate (0) May 22, 2008 England

  12. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Maven (1,391) Mar 23, 2008 California

    When a new beer is imagined then created, it's art.
    Brewing that beer over and over again and having it taste the exact same is science.

    Some brewers are good at the art, some are good at the science, some are good at both, and some are good at neither.
     
  13. TheeWalrusHunter

    TheeWalrusHunter Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Oregon

    Art=Science. Science=Art.

    Open your mind.
     
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  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Even then there is a role for the experience and educated judgment of the brewer. As an agricultural product neither hops nor sometimes malted grain can be assumed to be identical from year to year, field to field, etc. and adjustments are required to do fine tuning or dialing in to get an end result that matches closely enough with the desired goal to be bottled and released.
     
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  15. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    Yeah, this. I don't think the lines between science and art are as clear as we sometimes like to think. There's always some overlap, even if that overlap boils down to basic principles laid out in scientific concepts.

    It's like writing a good novel. It requires a good dose of imagination and feeling, but it also requires research, consistency, revision, learning certain techniques and the likes.
     
  16. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    It's definitely both. Obviously, one wants to brew scientifically to maximize the chances of everything going to plan and creating a consistent, quality product. One can use scientific principles to get certain flavors, aromas, or textures out of a beer. And it should go without saying that everything that you can do to a beer can be determined scientifically. But imagining and developing want you want a finished beer to even have is an art. Knowing what "works," how to get started in that direction, how to troubleshoot, etc., I think, take a kind of intuition.

    You can know everything there is to know about Maillard reactions and still suck at making toast.
     
  17. darkandhoppy

    darkandhoppy Savant (1,099) Dec 26, 2008 Connecticut

    the science part isnt hard. yeast will turn sugar into alcohol all day long. the rest, of course, is art
     
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  18. Akerstache

    Akerstache Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2015 Germany

    While I'm not someone who knows a lot about the science behind brewing I would bet my Belgians on the stipulation that it's not entirely that easy.
     
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  19. SteveB24

    SteveB24 Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2013 New York

    i don't think the two are mutually exclusive, when it comes to brewing there's definitely room for both.
     
  20. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Pooh-Bah (2,053) Jan 29, 2012 England
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