Who has the largest barrel program?

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  1. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    You don't need a big barrel program when you have those kinds of margins. They run on the de beers model of fake scarcity. ;-)
     
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  2. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I determined it was JD from an article listing the 20 top-selling Kentucky bourbon/Tennessee whiskey companies in the country, but maybe that was based on $ amount and not units sold. I invite you to do the maths on that one.
     
  3. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I'm going to guess that it's Alltech/Lexington Brewing, who makes Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale. To my knowledge, they're the only brewer that ages 100% of their product in whiskey barrels, & I believe I remember them saying they were the biggest purchaser of bourbon barrels domestically.
     
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  4. 31Sam13

    31Sam13 Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2014 New Hampshire

  5. Reed

    Reed Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2012 Missouri

    Jolly Pumpkin sees fairly good distro, right?
     
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Maths not really needed as I pretty much agree with your calculations as to the number of JD barrels needed to support that many cases sold. Assuming the same factors and conditions apply to HH, 14+ million cases sold works out to be a larger number of barrels. (Within the limits of tolerance normally allowed for government work. :slight_smile:)

    Edit: BTW do you have a link to that article as it would be interesting to see if they author takes account of the difference between distilleries and brands. Some distilleries such as HH market their Bourbons under more than one different lable and there are reasons to believe that some distilleries do "contract" distilling for smaller places that then do their own barrel aging program.
     
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  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Given that the price of used barrels has dramatically increased in the last few years I'd guess that the Scots are biting the bullet and still buying used Bourbon barrels because they do get re-use. I saw a report from one distillery in Scotland that the had a few barrels being recondition for another use that were in the close neighborhood of 100 years old.
     
  8. kosstamojan

    kosstamojan Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2014 Virginia

    The Scots do a lot to reuse barrels. Often after few uses they dissemble the barrel, grind down the char, reassemble the barrel, then rechar.
     
  9. mikeburd1128

    mikeburd1128 Maven (1,409) Oct 28, 2011 New Jersey

    I was told on a tour at Wicked Weed that they had the 3rd largest barrel program in the country. I forget the two that the dude said were bigger, but GI was not on his list. I politely called him out on it, though. I think he meant wild barrel program.

    But I would say these have to be contenders:

    Goose Island
    Firestone Walker

    Do foudres count? If so:

    Allagash
    New Belgium

    I'm probably forgetting a few obvious ones.
     
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  10. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2014/07/23/top-20-best-selling-whiskey-brands-of-2014.html
    then there's a link to the list after the first couple paragraphs
     
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  11. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California
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    Real question is where do Firestone wine barrels go?

    They use some but whiskey/brandy/rum makers use wine barrels too.

    Just a guess they are trading with strong spirit makers.
     
  12. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    I talked to a Boulevard rep recently and he said they have the second largest barrel program in the country behind Goose Island.

    /thread
     
  13. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    They do?
     
  14. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,680) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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  15. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Bourbon Barrel aged Zinfandel? Wow, that is a combination I find....baffling, maybeeee intriguing.
     
  16. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    That is interesting. I live very close to that brewery and I had no idea. I think there is some fuzzy math going on there! I believe you were probably correct and the tour guide is not. I just don't see it, although I guess its possible. I do know they use both whiskey and wine barrels for their sours. I think Black Angel says on the bottle (or I read it somewhere?) that they use Four Roses. Four Roses is a fairly large outfit but they are not nearly as big as Beam/Heaven Hill or JD. And I have noticed a lot of beers being specifically noting that they use Four Roses (I also think they are pointing this out because Four Roses Limited Edition Small batch was whiskey of the year two years in a row recently) I also heard that Four Roses used to distill Bulleit bourbon until very recently and that was because Four Roses has had such high demand on its higher end stuff that the master distiller puts out that he needs every bit of what he makes for Four Roses to sell under that brand name.
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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  18. Ri0

    Ri0 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin

    Central Waters in Amherst WI has a big barrel age program for their brewery size. It seems every year they come out with a new BA offering.
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    Black Gold
    BA Chocolate Porter
    BB Stout
    BB Cherry Stout
    BB Scotch Ale
    BB Barleywine
    Peruvian Morning (on tap only this year limited)
    BB Headless Heron
    BB La Petite
    Exodus
     
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  19. LakerLeith

    LakerLeith Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2013 California

    yep
     
  20. Sanderson

    Sanderson Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2014 Washington

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