my first all grain brewing attempt yesterday

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    My recipe was as follows:
    APA
    5 gallon batch

    10 LB pale ale 2 row
    1 lb caramel 60
    1 oz Amarillo at 30 min
    1 oz falconers 7 c at 15
    2 oz falconers 7 c at 2 min.
    wyeast 1056
    Was shooting for a mash temp of 152

    Strike water was 163
    Grains were 62 degrees and igloo mash tun was 50
    The first bad was my mash temp was 144. I tried adding 2 cups of water at 169 degrees and stir lightly and it didn't help much. It was 44 outside and windy and I brewed in the garage.

    After 60 minutes of mash I started vorlouf, and I couldn't clear the grain perfectly. I used my hop strainer to control it. I batch sparged and I believe I went a little fast with the process. The boil went fine with the exception I had a big clump of hops in my 300 ml hop strainer.

    The plate chiller worked great and brought my pitch temp to 63 degrees. I ended up with a OG of 1040

    I added my yeast shook my plastic Fermenter and wrapped it with 4 towels in my basement. I used vodka in my airlock. I learned a lot and hope the beer doesn't suck
     
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  2. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    I find it better to overshoot strike temp than under shoot, if you overshoot, simply leave the cooler open and stir until the temp comes down to your desired reading..Let us know how it turns out!
     
  3. Crackerbarrel

    Crackerbarrel Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2014 New York

    Ha! good for you....I drank my first all-gain attempt yesterday (and second temp overall). I had some of the same problems as you...or at least I would have written a post with a very similar tone to it.

    I ended up with a darn good session beer...even though I was shooting for a 7.5% ipa...but at least its drinkable.

    I discovered that reading about brewing is one thing, and actually doing it is another. Now that I have perspective, and remember all the unforeseen shit that went wrong...I cant wait to jump back on the horse asap.
     
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  4. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I was going to shoot for a 172 strike temp but the LHBS told me to go with 8-10 degrees over my mash temp of 152! Should have gone with my original..def. some learning lessons and I hope I can hit 4.2 and make a session out of it. The caramel 60 gave it a real dark brown color
     
  5. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

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  6. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    my PH was 5.3 and the grains were crushed. I also now realize I left the lid on the brew pot during the boil. Did I wreck the beer doing this?
     
  7. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    It is always easier to add some cold water to your mash to bring your temps down.
     
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    LHBS fail. Shocking. There are several factors that go into computing your strike water temperature. There is no one size fits all number. Now that you are all grain brewing, I'd recommend either learning the math or using decent software.
     
  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    This should be printed in all caps and issued with kit instructions.

    In addition to @Mag00n 's comments, I learned to have a kettle with 2 qts of boiling water standing by which can give me 1 or maybe 2 degrees. Only took me three batches to figure this out so you are well ahead of the game. I end each brew session with some hot water left over. Also, pick a calculator and learn it's mash/strike/sparge errors. I use Beersmith and it always understates quantities . . . but the error is fairly consistent and gives me a benchmark. Some free ones are Brewers Friend and http://www.rackers.org/calcs.shtml. For Vikeman: how does Brewcipher stack up here?

    If your strainer is collecting grain it's doing it's job . . . wouldn't worry about this.
     
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  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hard to say, since I haven't used the others. But BrewCipher does have something that the basic formulas (like the ones in How to Brew) don't have. That's a Mash Tun Intial Heat Absorption parameter. If the computed answer under or overshoots the target, this parameter can serve as a knob to dial it in. Here's the description...

    "Mash Tun Initial Heat Absorption factor accounts for the thermal mass of the mash tun. It's expressed in terms of the volume of water (in GALLONS or LITERS) that would have the same heat capacity, thus allowing it to be used in standard strike water and sparge water temperature calculations. I have measured my Coleman Xtreme 52 quart cooler to have an approximate value of 0.74 Gallons. If you consistently overshoot your intended mash temps, decrease this value. If you consistently undershoot your desired mash temps, increase it."
     
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  12. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    I always keep a pound of light dme around for when I come up short on the gravity. DMS may be an issue, but hard to say for sure just make sure next time to uncover during the boil and congrats and welcome to the obsession. Keep us posted on how it turns out.
     
  13. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Thanks all for the advise, we tried a taste and only got sugar malt and a hop taste so hopefully DMS is ok. The only time I took the lid off was to add hops. I will know soon enough. Cheers everyone!
     
  14. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    Ok so I took a FG reading and it was 1.004. So according to my OG of 1.040 tells me I finished at 4.7 %

    The beer itself was very dry but tasted good, it was cloudy but for all of the things that went wrong I am happy.The part I don't get is I get no hop presence

    I used a 300 ml hop strainer and just dumped the hops in it during the boil at designated times. What could have gone wrong? I think I may dry hop it with 1 oz. of Falconers 7 c when I keg it.
     
  15. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    I'm thinking maybe a 60min hop addition might had helped, that and you said you had a big clump of hops left in the strainer after the boil. Try first wort hopping next time, and try and keep that hop strainer moving around. The few times that I've used a paint strainer bag to put hops in, I'd keep the bag moving around and lift it in and out of the boil a few times, this will help with hop utilization.

    After the beer carbs up some this might help bring out some of the hop flavor. Glad to hear you didn't get any of the dms flavor,
    Cheers
     
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  16. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    A couple of things:
    1. If your hops were old and/or poorly kept they loose potency. Toss about 4-6 pellets in a light lager, recap, then taste-test in 5 days to see if they are ready for the task.
    2. All of your hops were added during the boil. Nothing wrong here, but hop oils are volatile. Unlike alpha acid they evaporate. Consider adding some hops after flame out.
    3. It's not unusual for hop flavor and especially aroma to be sub-standard in flat beer. Just adding bubbles should give better results.
    4. Your hop aroma is largely dependent on dh'ing. When you have a good aroma the nose tricks the brain into thinking you are tasting hop flavors also. But again, you need some bubbles to get this in gear.
    5. Finally, sometimes you just need more hops.
     
  17. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Had the mash tun been pre-heated to at least the targeted mash temperature ... the LHBS advice wouldn't have been all that bad.
    Had the two cup addition been just off the boil ... chances are the grain bed temperature would have been fairly close to its target.
     
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  18. maltlikker

    maltlikker Zealot (717) Feb 3, 2010 Colorado

    Great advice - it's always a good habit to reduce as many variables as possible.
     
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