Do you mind when breweries refuse to grow or expand?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by brewbetter, Jul 10, 2012.

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  1. woosterbill

    woosterbill Pooh-Bah (2,807) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    OP, rejoice! The world you envision of limited beers being available nationwide at an equilibrium price is already here! Russian River and New Glarus, one-offs and retired beers, all obtainable not just in your state but at your very doorstep!

    If this sounds great, then kindly GTFO of BeerAdvocate and have fun over at eBay. :rolling_eyes:
     
  2. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Damn! How many targets can you carry my friend? You seem to me to be either really young or really old.
    Enough with the superlative platitudes!
     
  3. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Actually, charging 3x what you need to charge to be profitable is pretty much the definition of selfish.

    Just because it's an accepted business practice doesn't make it not selfish.
     
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  4. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina

    Did you ever think that they're saving up the money to expand? It costs millions to expand, and breweries need to churn out more profit than expenses and save all of it without hiring or expanding to save money. Once theyve got enough money to do so, they might.

    I cant hate a brewery for saving.
     
  5. brewbetter

    brewbetter Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    I disagree with your definition of selfish. I believe it is more generous to spread your product's availability and let the market pay the market price.
     
  6. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Charging what the market can bear may not be selfish but it would be quite foolish for most breweries, there are plenty who are fine with charging less that would happily pick up the slack from others lost sales.

    You know, the local community is often more worthy. The local community is often the biggest market and supports the breweries more than any other market. Not taking care of your local market is silly to me.

    Please explain to me how your thoughts are not based on entitlement and your own selfishness. At the very least they are tremendously shortsighted.
     
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  7. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Lets look at the definition of selfish. Please tell me how this does not fit your thought process.

    self·ish

       [sel-fish] Show IPA
    adjective
    1.
    devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarilywith one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardlessof others.

    2.
    characterized by or manifesting concern or care only foroneself: selfish motives.






     
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  8. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Then perhaps you should open up a dictionary and look the word up? You can disagree with the definition all you want, you just have to understand that that would make you wrong
     
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Didn't you get the memo? We all get to define words however we want now. Not only that, but everyone is above average and nobody is ever allowed to fail! It's a glorious time to be alive.
     
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  10. brewbetter

    brewbetter Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    Well, then let me be specific. You said charging 3x what you need to is selfish. You seemed to be referring to when I said they should charge triple if the market demands it. I don't think charging 3x what you would otherwise because there is excess demand falls under those definitions of selfish. IMO, charging that price is just the fairest way to dosrribute whole allowing people to pay the fair economic price. I'm using the word fair here to refer to supply and demand.
     
  11. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    While the horse may be out of the barn, I would have preferred that most breweries stayed local. I don't need 70 IPA's and RIS's at my local bottle shop. I don't need five special releases showing up every week.

    I want to be excited when I go out of town and go to a brewery that isn't available back home. I want to be excited when the special releases are local and available and not be pissed off because I couldn't get one since it got distributed all over. I want to be thrilled to taste something someone else brought back from out of town and shared it with me.

    To some extent it's become overloaded. I think it used to be more fun.
     
  12. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Shit, I missed that one. I'll grab my knapsack and brown-bagged lunch my mom made me and meet ya at the jungle gym.

    But seriously, I agree with you and find it horribly annoying that the "elementary school philosophy" has moved far past the elementary schools.
     
  13. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    I'm going to say exactly what I said before, and you try and understand it this time:

    Charging 3x what you need to charge to be profitable is pretty much the definition of selfish.

    I'll even repeat it, since the third time is allegedly the charm.

    Charging 3x what you need to charge to be profitable is pretty much the definition of selfish.

    Now, there are non-selfish things a brewery could do with that extra profit. There are many NOBLE things they could do with it. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about misused words and the character flaw known as entitlement.

    So, once again

    Charging 3x what you need to charge to be profitable is pretty much the definition of selfish.
     
  14. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    For all we know, the OP is 7 years old.
     
  15. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    And everyone knows a 7 year old is always right.

    Shut it down, guys. We lost this one.
     
  16. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    now I am really confused on your thinking. Before I thought your reasoning was selfish and crazy (and poorly thought out), but now I am even more confused.

    You were saying the breweries are selfish because they were not putting their beer into more people's hands. Now you suggest charging x3 as much, as if this is suppose to put the beer in more people's hands? RR sours are fairly expensive, but worth the price of around $12 375ml IMO. I buy them every once in a while as a treat. At $36 a small bottle I would most likely never buy it, as I am sure most others wouldn't. With that steep of a price I am guessing the beer would fall into fewer hands as you just out priced the bulk of your customers (especially the ones that helped you grow).
     
  17. brewbetter

    brewbetter Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    Yeah, you're wrong. Charging 3x what you need to be profitable if the market is demanding it is not the definition of selfish.
     
  18. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I do believe that charging 3x the amount you need is certainly devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. You know what? That is the definition of selfish.
     
  19. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    uh oh.

     
  20. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    obviously this is not the case though

    edit: misread. I was thinking you just said they needed to charge 3x to be profitable. I will refer my response to why kzoo said. It is selfish, which in business isn't necessarily a bad thing
     
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