Questions from a new homebrewer

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  1. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Right now i dont know whats normal and whats not lol, im learning as i brew, so maybe i was a good carbonation and i was all worried cos i never did that before.

    Tx again for the replies
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Jos3h2r, JrGrt brings up a good point that I did not catch in my earlier reply, that one week period of fermentation. Your high fermentation temp can lead to fast fermentation, but a week may be too quick, regardless of what your recipe's instructions say. You may have bottled your beer with some unfermented sugar still available (only the use of a hydrometer or a refractometer will give you an answer to that, or if you are willing to wait 3-4 weeks before bottling to be sure the beer is done fermenting), plus you added your priming sugar, so yes, you may have some bottle bombs. If the plastic bottles feel firm, test one next to your sink to see if it gushes. Have a glass ready too so that you can salvage some of the beer to taste it. If one bottle is over-carbonated, then the rest of them probably will be too. Refrigerating them will stop the fermentation so they don't get worse, and letting them rest in the bottle may help to improve the flavor, but with the warm fermentation and the likely off-flavors from it, you may have a beer that is not salvageable. Let us know what happens when you test one of the bottles.

    P.S. I would NOT put any of this beer into a glass bottle and hide it in the basement.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I didn't see your above replies before my answer, so thanks for that update. I think the best thing for you right now is to read howtobrew.com or get the newest edition book (you can write notes, highlight, etc. your own copy of the book). Palmer does an excellent job describing the brewing process, and that's why his book is recommended so often in these threads. It's too had to learn the brewing process on the fly.
     
  4. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    I have the book and im reading it every night, my wife is tired of me talking about beer lol, but i dont care i like it and ill keep reading.
    I have much to learn, right now im confused about how to calculate how much water i need for a 2 gallons batch.
    The high temp might be a problem solve with the swamp cooler or a saison yeast, but now to calculate how much water i need and how much ill lose with the boiling, its giving me a headache.
    I hope my next beer taste good or be a drinkable beer cos im putting a lot of time into this and ill be really dissapointed if i dont success with this. I love beer and love when i can make stuff of my own, thats why i like to cook also.

    Well tx for the comments guys.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You need 2 gallons, plus...
    - the amount that will be absorbed by the grains
    - the amount that will be absorbed by the hops
    - the amount that will boil away
    - the amounts that will be left behind in any dead spaces in the mash tun (if doing all grain) and/or in the kettle, and/or in any pumps/hoses used to move wort around.
     
  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Even though brewing is a science, it's not rocket science as far as precision is concerned. If you are brewing a 5-gallon recipe (just for an example, but adjust my comments for your recipe) and you have a brew kettle which is large enough to handle a full boil plus some extra water, then allow about an extra gallon for boil-off for a 60 minute boil. If you can't do a full boil, then your partial boil should be as large what your kettle can handle, yet allow for extra kettle space to help with managing any boil-over. After your boil you will still have time to add water to the fermentor to get to the liquid volume that your recipe requires. This add-in water can help immensely to cool your wort after the boil. You don't need to be precise on this measurement in the fermentor, but as close as you think is reasonable. (You'll still want to allow extra water for whatever trub that will be in your fermentor too, so pay attention to how much is in there.) But you intentionally should be a little bit short, and you will still be able to adjust at the time of bottling because you'll be boiling your priming sugar with some water that will be added to your bottling bucket. (I usually use about a quart of water for my sugar boil.)

    So, like VikeMan says, ideally you'll add water at the start of a full boil to allow for boil-off, grain and hop absorption, etc. but you will still have opportunities to add water later to get to where you need to be. Figure out ways to estimate your volume amount in your boil kettle, buckets, carboys, etc. and use a marker pen or other method to graduate that container. Be as close as you can at the time of bottling, but if you're off a quart, no big deal. And it's better to be short on your estimates rather than too much though.
     
  7. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Ill try to calculate that. If been reading about it, some said grain absorb 0.1 or 0.2 gal per lb of grain, trub behind in the kettle might be 0.5 gal for a 5 gallon batch, 5 - 10 % of the volume is loss each hour of boil. 4 % of shrinkage or something like that i read. What do you guys recommend?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Boil Off is not really a function of a percentage of total wort. Think of it in terms of volume lost per hour. This will be essentially the same volume lost, regardless of your original wort volume (assuming the same kettle, heat source, etc.)
     
  9. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    ow. ok ok. so i can messure that with a kettle and just regular water. i can see how much i lose in an hour.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sure. But you don't need a whole hour. You can measure the boil off following a boil of "X" minutes. Then multiply the volume lost by 60 / X to get the hourly loss.
     
  11. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    im gonna do that. tx for the tip.

    this homebrewing is so crazy, im already thinking in a name for my beer and i dont even have a decent batch to name it lol.

    And someone already took the name i was thinking, Witch Doctor, cos im an orthopaedic surgeon and i though that was a clever name, but not anymore.

    Gonna focus in my brewing and if i make something decent ill name it.
     
  12. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Wow i dont now what just happened but the beer i though it was contaminated taste good now. I brewed that 5 weeks ago. I was really sad but i left it in the bottles and i decided to give it a try today and see if something change, it taste like BEER!!!!!!! I cant believe it, it definitly need more time to ferment and i can drink it now, is not bitter, the funky flavor went way down, im happy hahahahaha.

    Gonna leave the others a couple of weeks more and see if they get better.

    Maybe it was a green beer when i took it out of the fermenter.

    This is so wierd
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Sure does sound that way!?!

    Cheers!
     
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  14. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Not sure I've ever tasted a good beer a mere five weeks from brew day.

    Two or three weeks in the fermentor + Two weeks carbonating + One week cold-conditioning = Meh
    Two or three weeks in the fermentor + Two weeks carbonating + Two weeks cold-conditioning = More better
    Two or three weeks in the fermentor + Two weeks carbonating + Three-Four weeks cold-conditioning = Primo!
     
  15. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    What i mean is, it taste way better than the first time i tasted, sorry if i sound like a noob with all this post, is hard for me to know whats normal and whats not since this is the first time i do this.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I think you have learned that homebrew will taste better with some additional conditioning time in the bottle which happens to be true.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been brought up, but can you use the 'swamp cooler' method with a conical? Since it has a spigot that would be submerged, wouldn't you run the risk of contaminating with your swamp water?
     
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  18. bushycook

    bushycook Zealot (681) Jan 31, 2011 Virginia

    I'd like to know this also, I use a cooler to keep my bucket fermentors cool. I'd like to put spigots on them, but fear there will be seepage from the cooling water.
     
  19. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    @ssam i was thinking the same. I think it is a risk, thats why im buying this NB kit with the bucket and the bottling bucket. I can use the bucket for the swamp cooler and the conical if i dont need it(for the saison yeast im planning to use in the future). Or maybe i can sealed that, remove the spigot and use some sort of lid or tap in the bottom hole to avoid that and siphon after fermentation is done.
     
  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I use spigots and wouldn't submerge them in swamp water. Spigots usually seal fine. Occasionally, a very small amount of beer seeps out of the spigot, like maybe a few drops. This is with the common red spigot.
     
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