Beer Pricing - A Moral Responsibility?

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  1. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Terrible analogy. The store made a mistake in pricing the KBS, the buyer knew, decided not to tell the store and walked away with $15 in their pocket that really should have been in the store's pocket.
     
  2. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Most everyone on both sides of this argument seems to assume that the business owner is pricing this hypothetical beer without full knowledge.

    Frankly, if I saw KBS selling for $10 per 4 pack at a NYC bodega or mom & pop shop, I'd immediately assume that the owner bought the case for something like $25 from a junkie who randomly stole it from a beer truck.

    Too suspicious of me?
     
  3. mwa423

    mwa423 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Ohio

    Free pint in the bar is a perfect analogy. In both cases, somebody is getting a discount on a product that the owners/management May or may not be aware of. Alternatively, if you prefer a closer example, many bars I visit don't post draft prices, you order and pray you don't get a $11 dollar Kbs pour (like I did last night). So, if you drink two hearted at the bar down the street for $7 and the bar you're at today gives it to you for $4, do you inform the bartender you insist on paying more? (Note, this is a real example)
     
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  4. Kanger

    Kanger Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2013 New York

    A little bit, esp since there are tons of bodegas that get their beers from reputable NYC beer distributors such as Union and Manhattan Beer Distro.

    Founders is very common to find in bodegas, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few cases of KBS got mixed in with some deliveries.
     
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  5. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    I didn't read the entire thread. But we have had this discussion before.

    I teach my children to treat others the way they would like to be treated. I try my best to do the same.
    I would tell the owner that they were greatly under priced.
     
  6. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2009 New York

    And, the trend in distribution this year seemed to be wholly focused on volume Founders sellers. Bodegas sell a lot of Founders, so I'm guessing most requests for KBS were honored at those bodegas. I love that Founders (or SKI, depending on who made the call) doesn't cherry-pick their distribution points for limited, sought-after released. I do hope some random, non-BA Brooklynite stumbled into the bodega, saw some 4-pack for $10 they'd never had before, and tried it on a whim. And hopefully loved it.
     
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  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    End thread, this is the way the game is played, well done sir.
     
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  8. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Excuse me, but by which auspices are you marching away from Richmond, Sir? I will take your "credibility" with a shit load less grains of salt than most items that I have ever read.
     
  9. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Do you realize that you don't understand what socialism is?
     
  10. Billydoughnuts

    Billydoughnuts Pundit (771) Feb 22, 2015 Michigan

    What, pray tell, makes the market place "fundamentally amoral"?

    I guess I'm of the belief when two parties get together and agree to engage in a transaction voluntarily where no ones harmed it's a good thing.

    Not sure what your definition of "amoral" is.... Please explain.
     
  11. K-jack211

    K-jack211 Crusader (455) Jun 22, 2014 Michigan

    I have an aunt that frequents garage/estate sales looking for the proverbial $20 Tiffany lamp. I never realized how evil she was until reading this thread.
     
  12. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    That's a perfect analogy.
     
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  13. erushing

    erushing Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2014 Texas

    I feel like this thread is basically the muling thread in disguise. Some people are disgusted by others' lack of "morality." Others think those people are lame. Then there's a lot of people thinking it's all a grey area and who cares and do what you feel ok with. I'm mostly just surprised at how much moralizing goes on on a beer site. Won't somebody think of the children?!?!?
     
  14. CHL

    CHL Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Illinois

    She should feel ashamed for exploiting the seller's disinterest & lack of knowledge in the product! The uncaring seller has a moral right not only to the object, but to the contents of your aunt's brain.

    Karma's going to get her for sure, my friend.

    [Obscenities dropped here, for emphasis.]
     
  15. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I'd have to go back over the whole thread, but there seems to have been a lot more rationalizing than moralizing in this one.
     
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  16. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Tell the manager that the price is way too low. If he/she still wants to sell me one then ok, if not, no big.
     
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  17. erushing

    erushing Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2014 Texas

    Except that it's only rationalizing if you think it's morally wrong yourself. I believe it to be a standard business transaction. I'm purchasing a good at an agreed-upon price. If I don't believe the situation is any more complex than that, I'm not rationalizing.
     
  18. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    It's not a standard business transaction- that's the whole point of the thread. The buyer knows full well something screwy happened- they just don't know why. Just ask the manager or owner if they are aware- it's a common courtesy.
     
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  19. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Some people fully embrace the concept that ignorance is bliss.
     
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  20. erushing

    erushing Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2014 Texas

    Well, I don't know that everyone would agree that it's not a standard business transaction. There are a whole host of reasons that something could be cheaper and I don't know that it's my duty to care about some random business and their pricing strategy. There are many situations where I might feel like I should say something, but I don't think that applies across the board to any given business. Are we only talking about this extreme situation where KBS is priced at half price? At what price point does it become a standard business transaction? There's been some talk of craigslist on this thread. I've agreed to sell several things at a much lower price than I believe the thing is worth. The buyer and I both know this. Is it the buyer's duty to tell me that what I have is worth a lot more or more relevant to this discussion, that they would pay me more for this thing if I'd only asked for more? We came to an agreement on a price and a transaction took place. It all seems so simple to me.
     
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