What do you consider "off-the-shelf?"

But making that anything that sees distribution should not trade for whales is already buying into the idea of trade value which is the core of the maximizing mobs values. There is nothing wrong with shelf beer going for whales, it would actually be an improvement if this happened more. This would require people to stop looking at beer in terms of value and just see it as beer, not going to happen.

 

Fair point. My take has always been that a shelf beer is a beer made with some regularity. One timers like Rare would fit your def but it was a one time only shelf beer which does not sound rig to me. I hear your point but I could never call Rare a shelf beer. Elder is a shelf beer though.

 

holy crap, i was right

 

Why wouldn't you consider Rare a shelf beer? Calling it a shelf beer does not diminish anything about the beer. If causing Rare a shelf beer is a problem for some, I question ones perspective.

 

As I alluded to (but didn't outright state above) the only reason to give a shit about the definition is because you want to inflate the perception of your beer or deflate the perception of the beer you want.

Things that were on the shelves were shelf beer, but that doesn't really have much to do with what it takes to trade for them. The problem is that people think it does. (That is, "shelf beer" means "easy to get" and therefore "easy to trade for", so it's a pejorative.)

 

I would say anything I can just walk in and get.
If I have to be on a list - not off the shelf
If I have to go on a specific day and wait with others for one beer - not off the shelf
Brewery release no matter what - not off the shelf

I know there are loopholes here, but thats just my opinion

Edit: wrote Bruery the first time just out of habit lol

 

If it is on the shelf, it can be taken off the shelf hence it is off the shelf beer. How can you argue that? What is the harm of arguing that?

 

This time I really did explain it above. Because "shelf beer" is a pejorative and people don't want it attached to certain things that they want to see have higher trading value.

 

Oh I agree with you, I just want someone from the other side to explain their point.

I am to the point that if you are that wrapped up in trade value, definition of shelf beer and maximizing profits stop calling yourself a beer person, beer geek or let alone a beer advocate. If you are in it for the beer you completely missed the point.

 

you pull it off a shelf.

 

stopped reading here.

don't be a moron. if people are sending you messages saying "you ought to trade me your X, because [etc]," you shouldn't trade with them. nor is there any reason to post threads about it. come on people.

 

... if you are going to be starting a thread about it, at least let it deliver.

Let us know who we all should not be trading with.

 

And most of them can be found on shelves.

 

I think the provisions beers should follow the lead of Heady Topper-- traders can claim, "it's only available in one place and it's a pain in the ass to get to it... And there's only like 7 people who can get there regularly."

 

As an afterthought:
What do we call beers that got distributed, would have hit shelves, but demand was too high so the owners kept them behind the counter, sold them only to people asking for them, and only one or two per person?

"Behind the counter beers" ?

So the hierarchy would be;
4+ year old sour that was available before sours become insanely popular.
Brewery only release (Europe only).
Brewery only release (stateside).
Behind the counter beers.
Off the shelf beers.

 

Oh, I agree with you but it is just perception at the end of the day. Just splitting hairs but shelf beer to me has the perception of a regularly attainable beer. One time beers not to be made again just doesn't seem like shelf beer to me. Just splitting hairs.

 

ftfy

 

Any beer that ever spends time on any shelf is a shelf beer. Thus, I try to only buy beers that are floor aged so they retain their value.

 

It is I that the OP is referring to in regards to this thread...the OP posted this ISO:

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/iso-black-albert-beer-geek-bruch-ft-list-others.29338/

I PM'd the OP stating that I can get what he wanted at the bottle shop that I frequent. Both bottles are kinda pricey, come out to roughly $25-$28 w/ tax. I wasn't interested in what the OP had to offer so I checked his Gots...I was interested in the KH, I even told the OP that I would add something on my end to get this done...The OP stated that this looks more like a $4$ off the shelf trade...I simply told the OP that I wasn't interested and let him know that KH was an Off the Shelf beer and good luck in his search...So what's the problem?

Cheers!

 

You didn't do anything wrong, but that is something many traders don't like. Many traders post an ISO just to be asked for beers other than what they were offering, and almost always asking for the rarest beer their have. It just leaves a bad taste. Some traders have even deleted their gots because of this. Of course the OP did leave his ISO pretty open ended, so he had to expect offers like this.