Sixpoint Jammer Gose (May 2015)

Every brewer I know considers tart to be a less sharp version of sour. To me the difference is Westbrook Gose is sour, Lost Nation Gose is tart. Gimme tart, not sour, in a Gose always.

 

Have you actually tasted sour milk? How about yogurt? Both can reasonably be considered tart under the actual definition of the word. In fact, tart is described as sour in most definitions:

OED: having a sour taste that may be pleasant or unpleasant

Webster: having a sharp or sour taste

Cambridge: tasting sour

American heritage: Having a sharp pungent taste; sour. See Synonyms at sour.

I couldn't care less as to how "good" the thread is. Criticizing peoples' analysis of a beer on the basis of some made up definition of a word is ridiculous. Stop it.

Also you aren't tasting the Lactobacillus, you're tasting the lactic acid created by it.

 

Wow what a sour post. Or is it tart?

 

Both.

 

You are ignoring much of the definition of sour.

Webster:
a (1) : having the acid taste or smell of or as if of fermentation : turned <sour milk> (2) : of or relating to fermentation

b : smelling or tasting of decay : rancid, rotten <sour breath>

c (1) : bad, wrong <a project gone sour> (2) : hostile, disenchanted <went sour on Marxism>

Tart does not in any way describe rancid, or rotten. But sour does.

So back to my original point. Tart tends to represent a more fruity or acidic aspect of Sour.

Also, there is really no need to act like a jerk. This is a discussion forum, discussion doesn't need to be a a battle royal.

 

I didn't list the definitions of sour, I listed definitions of tart. Think about that for a second before you respond please.

 

So you're listing the definition of tart which says it is synonymous with sour and basically agrees with Ieatlambfries' assertion that tart is a subset of sour, and then on top of it you're be obnoxious about it?

 

One of the first things I said was that tart is a component of Sour. So therefore all things tart are sour, But not all things sour are tart.

I found Jammer to have a sour flavor, but not necessarily a tart flavor. And I truly believe most of what people are looking for in a Gose falls into the tart spectrum of Sour.

Where as another style such as a Flanders Red will have a tartness, also have some of that funky bad breath type sour as well.

 

Shane, I don't speak for all of America, but there seems to be a reoccuring theme from BAs that responded in this thread (I still have not found any yet). Yes, there is no traditional American Gose, but as with various other styles, us Americans like things to extreme. Westbrook may not be traditional, but we love it because it's more extreme on the tartness and saltiness. This may not fit the traditional style guidelines from Germany, but it's how we here in America (at least myself and other BAs from this thread) like our Gose beers. The bottom line is I know Sixpoint wants to make beer people love, so based on how much Westbrook is loved, perhaps more sour or tart is the way to go? I'm not a brewer, just a fan but your brewery MO is to stray from tradition and just make kick ass beer....maybe do the same with Jammer?

 

It's one of the many things that you said that was wrong. The definition for tart literally says that it is sour. It's listed as a synonym. They are the same thing. How do you not understand this still?

 

Finkel is Einhorn.

 

Yes and sour doesn't have to be tart.

Sour Beer: Sour beer is beer which has an intentionally acidic, tart or sour taste. The most common sour beer styles are Belgian: lambics, gueuze and Flanders red ale.

Note sour and tart are separate descriptors.

So clearly it's up for debate.

 

Sir, you need to learn what a synonym is. We learn about them in grade school. They are not a complex thing to understand.

 

I'm sorry not everyone agrees with you. You should rage about it more.

I notice you didn't address the gentleman that pointed out the fact that your postings about tart supported exactly what I've already said.

 

That's not how synonyms work. Synonyms describe the same exact thing. If it were a subset of sour, it couldn't actually be a synonym.

 

sorry @Ieatlambfries, I appreciate your description, but according to the dictionary, you're wrong.

 

It they meant exactly the same thing, then said dictionary should have exactly the same definition for both words, correct?

Does whatever dictionary you used have the same exact definition for both? Because Websters does not.

 

Man this thread now has made me very curious to try this beer, I may have to search it out today. I love Gose, seems folks here are split between it tasting pretty well, or horrible, that alone fuels the curiosity.

 

Sorry, my sarcasm may not have been detected.