cancelling trade while box is in transit...

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by glitchedmind, Jul 20, 2012.

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  1. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    from the last post, it looks pretty clear that the receiver had already decided that friday was make or break, but didn't quite get that across to the sender.

    sounds like just miscommunication and unfortunate fedex stuff. i wouldn't be particularly upset on either side really.
     
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  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I think another key here is how the growler was filled. Counter pressure filled then there really shouldnt be an issue with the extra time but if it was a bottom filled screw top then over 5 days is unacceptable IMO, then again anything over 2 days is IMO (again) for screw top which is why I would not think trading that kind of growler cross country is the best of ideas.

    Anyway I agree with those above - if he stated he would like to have it in hand by a certain date (and if you agreed) I do not think it was prudent of you to bring it to a place that you know holds packages for days before they are picked up to ship. But if it was miscommunication then its a tough place as the details were lost in the mix.
     
  3. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    no... he brought it up beforehand, but the OP didn't take it seriously:

    there is no reason why you should need to know his personal reasons. He told you what he'd like and you, presumably agreed to it since you went ahead with the trade. Had you not dropped it off at a location where you knew they were likely to not pick it up for a few days, I could see blaming FedEx, but you knew.

    I think cancelling the trade is the fairest thing for both parties.
     
  4. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    yeah, OP made it sound like the receiver was all "no big deal" beforehand in earlier posts.

    in fact, the receiver wasn't clear that it was a dealbreaker, but he definitely specified the time (and pretty obviously had friday as the cutoff). unfortunate situation.

    just emphasizes that communication is important. OP shouldn't have assumed that friday was no big deal, and the receiver should have made it clearer that it was friday or bust.

    ("the receiver doesn't need to bend over backwards to make clear that when he says 'friday' he means friday!!"

    that's great, but if he had, he'd probably have ended up with that growler he wanted.)
     
  5. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    First time is a fluke, second time is a sign. Future boxes will now be dropped off directly at an actual FedEx facility, not a third party drop off location.

    Had I known how vitally important the arrival date was to him, I would not have gone through with the trade. There's a world of difference between "I would like it by Friday", and "its extremely important that I get this by Friday". The latter was not expressed in the slightest. That's far too much trust to be placed in the shipper to promise a box gets picked up, sorted, loaded in a truck, shipped across the country, sorted again, and out on a truck for delivery all in 4 days. He wasnt even given a tracking number until Monday night at 930.

    Maybe it's just me and my morals, but there's no way I would back out on a trade once its already in a truck. If I dont get to have it the night I wanted, well, guess what! I know there's still some great beer to come to me still. I wouldn't be nearly as upset if he showed even an ounce of remorse, or even a "hey, Im really sorry." That in itself is a huge difference between a BA, and a mere trader.

    In the end, I know who to never trade with again, and there's another BA eventually receiving an awesome box who is far more deserving of it.
     
  6. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    It happening ONE time out of hundreds of times I've dropped off various packages means I knew they were likely to not pick up for a few days?
     
  7. mishuggah

    mishuggah Crusader (482) Jul 14, 2009 Illinois
    Trader

    Yep, and that's why I have an AVOID section in my BA profile.
     
  8. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    if someone wanted it by a certain day, then why take the chance?
     
  9. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    lol... he did the fairest thing possible, it seems... just send it back and take his side back... no harm, really except shipping.

    Which you should be getting a good discount on if you've shipped hundreds of packages through the same company in the two months you've been on this site trading.

    I think calling him out as an asshole is not making you look any better than he. He gave your stuff back when it was deemed it wouldn't work out.
     
  10. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    You mean to tell me FedEx can't be used to send anything other than beer???? :astonished: You are aware that UPS/FedEx/USPS shipped packages many, many years before beer trading was around right?

    hmm I called him an asshole? I can't recall ever saying that.
     
  11. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I've known "glitchedmind" for 14 years and he is a 100% honorable, awesome person. Just saying.

    Oh - and I'd only ship a growler to the best of the best trading partner. Too many things can go wrong.
     
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  12. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    sorry... complete dick was your put-down of choice.
     
  13. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    i don't doubt it, but i think he should calm down about this whole thing. there was a miscommunication, and he didn't understand that the guy wasn't interested in trading if the beers got to him after friday (but the guy definitely said, "by friday"). these things happen.

    however, with the further development in the thread, while i wouldn't be less likely to trade with anyone involved, if glitchedmind had an "avoid!" list of traders a la mishuggah, i wouldn't take it seriously (barring explanation i guess).
     
  14. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    don't doubt this at all. but, he asked for opinions, and I think cancelling the trade with both parties only out shipping was the correct call in this case, instead of a box sitting outside someone's house who cannot receive it or whatever the case may be after a designated day. That is my opinion, he asked for it.

    I mean, look at it from the other side. Is the other trader supposed to be out his box and the box he is due to receive because the OP didn't take his "I want it by Friday" seriously?

    best to cut your losses, chalk it up as a mis-communication, and not ask for opinions if you are already steadfast in yours.
     
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  15. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Agree but I would have ate the loss myself I guess. ( guy wanting growler Friday )
     
  16. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    again, where did I call hiim a dick? I said it was a "complete dick move", but specifically called him a dick? No.



    anyways....Im going to go study up on innuendos and vague speak so a miscommunication like this doesn't occur again.
     
  17. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    except Im not out "only shipping". The growler will be far from drinkable when either I get it back, or it reaches the porch of the recipient I redirected it to. So thats $25 plus the shipping.

    Twenty four hours from now, this will be in the back of my mind and completely forgotten about. Or I should just stoke the flames and feed into it and see much farther some of these replies can reach. So far I've called him an asshole, shipped only beer in my life, know the drop off location I use has a history of not picking up boxes, able to decipher vagueness into set in stone timeline. Im sure there's more, but its late and I dont feel like reading through it again.
     
  18. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    see... why all defensive? don't ask for people's opinions if you don't want to hear them and aren't able to constructively take something away from a different point of view.

    If you didn't want opinions, I don't get what this was about. A pity plea?
     
  19. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    quote="glitchedmind, post: 367212, member: 675738"]decipher vagueness into set in stone timeline.[/quote]

    how is "Friday" vague.

    I know there are around 52 Fridays in a year, but I'm pretty sure you knew which one he was talking about

    like I said, if you didn't want opinions (which may differ from your own on a forum such as this) don't ask...

    and if you're going to have forgotten about it in 24 hours, then it really wasn't that big a deal to begin with.
     
  20. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    I'm not defensive in the opinions given. They have been for the most part quite constructive.
    I do get defensive when people don't completely read threads, misquote me, or assume things about me.
    My dog's dont even give me pity, how could I expect it from a bunch of people on the internet? :slight_smile:

    It is/was a miscommunication. And Im cool with it. End of story.
     
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