Bullfrog Grrrz Release

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  1. MWolverines66

    MWolverines66 Savant (1,126) Mar 13, 2013 New York
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    I suggest you all watch "the abyss 2009 rant" and just insert CoP where appropriate, cracks me up every time
     
    #501 MWolverines66, Jun 2, 2015
  2. Tbub18

    Tbub18 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2014 New York

    I feel like this is a bad trader thread and I'm waiting for the culprit to show up and accept his public shaming.
     
    #502 Tbub18, Jun 2, 2015
  3. callmemickey

    callmemickey Initiate (0) Aug 12, 2007 Pennsylvania

    And who, exactly, is the "culprit" here that is supposed to "show up and accept his public shaming"?
     
    #503 callmemickey, Jun 2, 2015
  4. Tbub18

    Tbub18 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2014 New York

    Good question!
     
    #504 Tbub18, Jun 2, 2015
  5. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    Ryan, the old BA is gone... there are soooo very many things wrong with what is happening here.
     
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  6. Fahmie25

    Fahmie25 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2008 New York

    "Back in the OLD BA, nobody would show up to releases the night before, fuck the new BA and beer community! It's just beer!"
    -guy who shows up to bullfrog before midnight
    :rolling_eyes:

    not trying to be a dick, but no need to get on a high horse bro. as it turns out, bullfrog is actually addressing it, meaning we might not be totally off base, or something. i guess it's #newmoney or something to expect companies to not put out shit products? Or to try products before selling them? Idk, I've heard about plenty of bad batches getting dumped because they weren't up to a brewers standards, but i guess thats also newmoney or something.
     
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  7. jeevo

    jeevo Pundit (976) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Anyone? :slight_frown:
     
    #507 jeevo, Jun 3, 2015
  8. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    1. Avalon68 is not associated with Bullfrog brewery in any way. He did everyone on BA a favor by alerting people to the release because he has inside knowledge.

    2. Bullfrog did not force you to buy CoP. You bought it yourselves because you bought into the hype. Its like going to a great restaurant, being disappointed by the food and expecting the establishment to address it because it wasn't to your taste. You didn't have to buy it. You did and you didn't like it... why is that Bullfrog's fault? Why do they have to address it?

    3. There's an insinuation that Bullfrog knew CoP would be really bad but they sold it anyway to take advantage of everyone? People have different palates... y'all are saying that there NO POSSIBILITY that the brewer and owner tasted the beer, thought it was good enough to put out, and sold it?

    4. The reference to "old BA" is that there was a time when Avalon68 was one of the most generous, informative and friendly BAs on the site. That people are calling him out because they didn't like one of the beers they willing bought a Bullfrog is a disgrace. Again, he did you guys a favor to alert you. That's all he did.

    5. You're talking about #newmoney..... but your join date is in 2008... you're not new money... "bro"

    6. How do you know that Bullfrog didn't try CoP beforehand? Did they state that?

    7. Finally, the last few pages of this thread just REEK of entitlement. Why are you entitled to an explanation from Bullfrog? Why are you entitled to great beer from this brewery? Has everyone forgotten that THE COMMUNITY CREATED THE HYPE? These expectations for what CoP was supposed to be was not put out by Bullfrog. It was put out by its customers based on other beers that Bullfrog has released in the past. You need Bullfrog more than Bullfrog needs you... whether its to drink these rare beers, trade these rare beers, sell these rare beers, or whatever it is you end up doing with them. If you stop getting in line, there will be 10 people to take your place. If Bullfrog stops putting out these beers, you end up moaning and groaning because they "haven't put anything great out in a while".
     
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  9. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    i haven't had the beer yet, but from everything i've read, it's not a taste or palate issue, it's that the beer is bad.

    if that's the case... new money, old money, supply, demand... none of it matters. if a company puts out a faulty product, they should make it right. it's not being entitled, it's being a customer who spends their hard earned money on a product that is recreational at best, and whether or not the producer is going to stand behind it's product.
     
    #509 mxracercam, Jun 3, 2015
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  10. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Pooh-Bah (2,877) Jun 19, 2009 New York
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    Genuinely curious as to what constitutes a "bad" or I'm guessing you're talking about "spoiled" wild ale?
     
    #510 SpeedwayJim, Jun 3, 2015
  11. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    well, if it tastes like "garbage" and "smells like diapers", i'd say it's bad. again, going off of what i've read.
     
    #511 mxracercam, Jun 3, 2015
  12. Avalon68

    Avalon68 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2008 Pennsylvania

    The following is a message from Bullfrog brewery:


    I'd like to preface this response with the following statement:

    I realize that once I put words out there in any form, there is no taking them back. I also recognize the shortcomings of printed word, and the difficulty in expressing tone, inflection and intent accurately. I write this preface in an attempt to buffer against any sort of misrepresentation of these words, on the uptake.

    If any of you know me personally, you know who you're dealing with. I always try to maintain a supreme level of calm and levelheadedness in all that I do. In no way are these words condescending or attacking, they are carefully written with respect, and it is my wish that they are absorbed as such.

    I'd like to start by thanking the beer community at large for the overwhelming support we received at our most recent bottle release. I was deeply humbled and stunned by the response we received.

    We have taken in many suggestions and know that in the future, the experience of a Bullfrog bottle release will only get better. Most likely we will be having two more release days in 2015. During which, we will focus more on your comfort during the event, and the speed at which transactions are processed.

    Now, onto the Crime of Passion beer and the apparent heated controversy surrounding it.

    We (about ten of us) tried a bottle of Crime of Passion the other morning (actually had to trade for one, as there were none left from the release). It tasted like we remembered...not incredible or world changing, but an early/experimental example of American wild ale (5 1/2 years old). It was our last brewer's only remaining beer here, and was brought along, fruited, and bottled by our current brewer. At the end of the day, we deemed it worthy of release, albeit, at a lower price point.

    I've given this matter much thought, and I think I may have identified some shortcomings on our part, concerning this bottle release.
    Perhaps we were victim of a bit of sentimentality surrounding this particular beer, coupled with the fact that we have been tasting it for years as it's made its way along. It may have been incorrect to assume that everyone else would share that same enthusiasm. Maybe it's also due in part that most people don't necessarily know the flavor kiwiberries impart to a beer. Also, releasing it alongside several other beers that are adored and celebrated, (far superior in style, execution, and refinement - in my humble opinion) most likely also worked against it. The recent scathing BA review was soooo damning and over the top (Being strangely impressed, I might actually get it framed), that I feel it has had the power to sway opinion in a grossly negative way. It certainly scared some people into not even trying it, and started an avalanche of fear in the often highly excitable, beer blog community.

    Issuing refunds or taking some of the bottles back (only 4 or 5 of you have asked) is not the action we have chosen, based on the simple fact, that many, many people have had the beer on several occasions before the release. It was not released as a big mystery. We didn't sneak it in and try to fool anyone.

    It's a beer that has been previously kegged and sold, and made public on several occasions, including two cases of bottles being dispersed over Philly Beer Week last year. Sure, it didn't get reviews like Grrrz. We knew it wouldn't, but there are people out there who still really like it. Keep in mind as well, that if anyone felt they didn't want to take the chance on a $25 bottle of AWA with a backlog of existing mediocre reviews, they certainly had the choice. As it were, not one person that had access to the beer at the release, chose to pass on it.

    Whether you feel elation, indifference, or despair, It's the last beer of its kind here at Bullfrog Brewery. It's the end of a certain chapter, and we're quite happy with the direction our wild beer program is headed. Hopefully you are too, regardless of your personal opinion on the Crime of Passion.

    Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's stance, beer has gone from humble beverage to fashionable commodity. Like it or not, we as a modern brewery, recognize the need in learning to better navigate these waters.

    With the upmost respect and admiration,
    Steve Koch
    Bullfrog Brewery
     
    #512 Avalon68, Jun 6, 2015
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  13. dtx00

    dtx00 Savant (1,078) Oct 21, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    @Avalon68 I hope that some of the comments and commentators do not affect future postings from you. I, as I'm sure others, value your insider info. Just out of curiosity though, where was this message posted? Facebook? I, even though I don't possess a CoP bottle, feel like this is the respone I expected. Looking forward to see what changes for upcoming releases they make
     
    #513 dtx00, Jun 6, 2015
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  14. Avalon68

    Avalon68 Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2008 Pennsylvania

    I got this directly from Steve. As far as I know. this the only place it has been posted.
     
    #514 Avalon68, Jun 6, 2015
  15. dtx00

    dtx00 Savant (1,078) Oct 21, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    That's kinda cool. The official BA press release.
     
    #515 dtx00, Jun 7, 2015
  16. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would imagine the most vocal haters of COP are some fruity dudes that expected to drink some fruity beer.
     
    #516 FatBoyGotSwagger, Jun 7, 2015
  17. Davidsoul

    Davidsoul Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 New York

    It's not, really. Who cares where it gets posted.
     
    #517 Davidsoul, Jun 7, 2015
  18. siege06nd

    siege06nd Pooh-Bah (2,027) Dec 29, 2009 Virginia
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    Pretty much a pseudo-apology that goes out of its way to blame the customer and with no real specifics on what they will be changing in the future to address the issues. I appreciate the effort, but for all the words, there isn't much substance.

    The "sentimentality" bit in conjunction with the "far superior" product they produce currently is a tell that they knew this was junk. But at least they marked it down by a whole $5!!
     
    #518 siege06nd, Jun 7, 2015
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  19. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Savant (1,222) Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Pretty much the exact same way I read it.
     
    #519 RyanMcFly1985, Jun 7, 2015
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  20. Beerisheaven

    Beerisheaven Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2007 Pennsylvania

    When you say these words are not condescending, they usually are. When you piss all over your customers, one day you might not have those customers.
     
    #520 Beerisheaven, Jun 7, 2015
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