Recipie check me please (saison)

I didn't read the recipe, but I would put spices like those in with just a couple minutes to go in the boil.

 

I did read it, is this a clone? I would think the simcoe is gonna clash with... well... everything.

 

Yes.

 

IMO back off on the spices and let the yeast speak for itself. But if you go ahead, post the results.

 

It does. I let mine go higher but 78-80's normal.

 

Not to be a downer, but why do you want to brew this saison? Honestly, it looks like a trainwreck, there are a ton of spices and I don't get the combination of Simcoe and Spalt Select. And then to add brown sugar and honey, why? BTW, with 3711 and sugar/honey, you will likely end up with lower FG than 1.005.

If you have never brewed a saison before, I would seriously consider the AP Saison that we developed here.

 

I said that it was a lot of cardamom in the previous thread. Three pods might not seem like a lot, but it is a metric shit-ton in a five gallon batch of beer. I'm with the guys who are saying to keep it as simple as possible.

 

I thought the recipe in post #16 could be good. It's not clear to me if it is all-grain or extract. I am assuming all-grain, in which case it will make a refreshing saison, with an OG in the neighborhood of 1.05. You would want to convert to LME by multiplying those numbers by about .75 or so, maybe about 5# of the briess golden light or pils LME, 1# of wheat malt extract, and the same amount of sugar. I rounded these numbers to the nearest pound for the sake of simplicity. Should be fine. Saisons, the way I think of them are yeast driven, flavor-wise, with a low finishing gravity and medium hop bitterness and flavor. I probably would spread an extra oz of saaz throughout that, probably adding some at 60 min, and I would use WY3724, Belgian Saison yeast. 3711 is more consistent in terms of hitting that low finishing gravity, but 3724 is more flavorful in my opinion.

 

You may be going about this all wrong. Seems like you are looking for a recipe that hopefully will taste good. I suggest you drink a half dozen Saisons and decide what you like best . . . then brew it. Try a DuPont (single grain), Hennepin (spices, multi-grain), Tank 7, Saison Rue (brett), Blaugies (spelt), Fantome . . . you get the idea. Decide what you like best and almost all of these brews have a clone recipe floating around somewhere.

Simcoe is a great hop . . . I buy it by the pound. IMO it would not compliment a Saison. But don't ask me what it taste like, instead drink some. Have a West Coast IPA, Double Simcoe, Dogfish 60, New Belgium Ranger . . . hmmm, all of these are IPAs, is that telling you something?

 

If your LHBS carries an "extra light" DME, that will likely be mostly pilsner with some carapils. You could make a tasty saison split between that and wheat DME.

I agree with the suggestion to save the brown sugar for another batch. Perhaps a red IPA with simcoe and amarillo?

 

I think Simcoe is an awesome hop, I could even see using it with a saison yeast. It was the combination of Simcoe and all the spices and sugars that set off warning bells, not Simcoe itself.

If you have already bought the DME for that recipe, there is no need to change. You might want to add a little more Extra Light DME to make up for dropping the sugar/honey. The Spalt would be fine as well, but you probably want a little more.

After you have made a couple saisons, then try an APA recipe with Simcoe but use Dupont yeast instead of Chico.

If you can get it, Double Simcoe will let you know what the hops taste like http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/392/30288/