Brewery Release vs. Distro - The great debate

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  1. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Ok guys, I am from Oklahoma where they have been fighting to change laws for some time. We made some headway this year but we are stalled until the next set of hearings in our state legislature. With all of this going on, my beer buddies have been arguing and I am curious what you guys think.

    What do you think about breweries that only release their best beers at the brewery and put strict bottle limits on them vs. distributing everything statewide and then potentially on the rest of the distro footprint.

    The best example is probably Jester King. They have a lot of great beers, but they are all released only at the brewery and they usually have insane 1 bottle limits despite regular bottle counts north of 5000. Then they get mad when people cheat their system and go through line more than once. I understand their reasoning, but do you think they have gone too far and they are missing the point? All of their beers that hit distro are pretty mediocre, so basically only people who live near Austin are able to enjoy their best offerings. Sure it builds a lot of hype on their beers, but it seems like don't want everyone to be able to taste their best work.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I can see the periodic carnival wait in line brewery method appealing to a certain crowd. It would have to be a really sought after gem. The potential problem of going through a typical distribution network would be that allocations are handled poorly and some great customers miss out......A greedy salesman here, a sleeping salesman there. The buzz about a brewery release is good advertising, and if it's a brew pub, sales are out of the roof! I'll never wait in line for any beer when so many great options that I've never tried are readily available.
     
  3. thatoneguymike

    thatoneguymike Pooh-Bah (1,947) Sep 18, 2012 Georgia
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    I don't mind standing in line to get a beer, but I'm with you -- silly per person limits like the 1 per doesn't bode well with me if it's not extremely limited (like 500 bottles or something like that)..I would think 4 is a happy medium, or at least 6 if the bottle count is like you mention, in the thousands.

    I like distro in that it's easier, but like @rgordon said, it also puts some great BA's without.
     
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  4. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I don't think the the trade of brewer has to include a national or even staewide distribution. What is so viable about brewing as a trade or vocation is not the idea that ONE brewer will surpass all others to the point that they would become the next national brand. The idea is that brewing beer is a skill and that all good beer has the same merit and the same features as well. I enjoy finding new beer. I enjoy drinking beer from other states. My opinion is obviously passionate and therefore a bit muddy. I enjoy a good national and international distribution here. Brewery only releases are fine with me.
     
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  5. Nmelione

    Nmelione Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2014 New Jersey

    I have nothing against brewery only release. I do think waiting in crazy hype lines for hours is insane. But a place like Carton has brewery only release and I feel like its a nice reward for the local customers that support the brewery all year.
     
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  6. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I don't have a problem with it at all because distributors at their worst, sleep on beer and it sits in a warehouse. Also, if you're only shipping dribs and drabs as opposed to whole pallets out to your various markets of these things. The costs do add up, and then too, there's the aforementioned problem of it getting lost in a warehouse awaiting distro because what driver wants to handle a case or four of some random fanboy beer for an entire market when they can load up a whole truck of some fizzy yellow water? Also, too. The cut distributors take on beer when you are producing runs that short is nearly enough with certain beers to make those beers loss leaders. So, keep the special stuff local and let the regulars of the taproom reap the benefits and the brewery gets to keep the cash that would have been siphoned off via distributing it to make more cool stuff.
     
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  7. Blueribbon666

    Blueribbon666 Pooh-Bah (1,669) Jul 4, 2008 Ohio
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    Distro > Brewery only
     
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  8. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Yeah I agree with a lot of these points. I think there just needs to be a good medium. I am fine with brewery only releases, but at the same time I think some breweries are doing it wrong. I like the idea brewery only releases for super limited bottle counts, but JK pisses me off to no end. The last release of MvB was over 3,000 bottles and they only let people have 1 bottle. So naturally some people erased the stamp and went through the line twice, and then JK released a big statement on their website and banned people from the brewery. I just think that is ridiculous especially when all of their distro beer is pretty disappointing.

    Do you guys know of other breweries that are as bad as JK with their brewery only releases? This is just the only one I have experience with, and I am so scared that Prairie Artisan Ales is going to start doing the same thing.
     
  9. Bristopher89

    Bristopher89 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2014 Texas

    JK had people going through multiple times, buying people beers in order to get them to go through line for them, etc. When it's a 1 per person limit and 3 guys from OK post up a pic of 50+ bottles on Instagram (and laugh about how it was 1/person), that shit's not okay. Us Austin locals want to be able to have the beer at the brewery for more than 3 days. People gaming the system makes that not possible and makes JK have to do shit like banning people and all that. And their distro beer is anything but disappointing.

    My ultimate point and response to your question is every brewery should distribute or not, brew what they want, and be rewarded with respect for themselves and for their beers.
     
  10. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Naturally? How about they respect the limits? 3000 bottles is hardly a massive release. I don't understand the attitude that if a brewery doesn't want to grow to the size that they can distribute nationally / on a large scale, and at the same time they make an effort to allow the small amount of beer they do make, get into the hands of as many people as possible, that they're "bad".
     
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  11. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    There needs to be a good medium where fanboys are not being entitled shitheads and gaming the system with their fanboy breweries. 3,000 bottles is just not a lot of beer when there's hype and fanboys trying to hog it involved. That 3000 bottles is maybe 3 pallets worth, and is barely filling a 20 barrel bright tank. That's just not a lot of beer to put out there in the world.
     
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  12. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    While there is no shortage of brewery releases in Oregon and the rest of the NW, I am really glad that long lines, system gaming, and general beer ass-hattery is kept to a minimum. Breweries should be able to release beers as they see fit, but I've been to large bottle count releases that were poorly run and 100 count bottle releases that were chill. Perhaps beer culture in different regions plays a part too.
     
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    My thoughts are that the brewery should be able to choose for themselves whatever method they feel best gets their beers to their target market demographic. Better for them and better for the consumers.

    For example, I have zero problem with a brewery releasing 3000 bottles on site with a rule of 1 bottle to a customer (3000 bottles is not a lot in a state the size of Texas) but I do have a lot of dislike for people who will game the system so that they can mess over other people and prevent others from getting their chance to try the beer.

    As for alternatives, you want to keep in mind that its pretty much normal around sites like this one that no matter what distro method or bottle limit the brewery chooses they will catch flak for it from someone one. ("What, they released only 3000 bottles so my area distributor got only one case and it only went to their favorite store and was gone before I even could get there???") So, I figure that if they are going to get criticised no matter what they do, they might just as well do it their own way.
     
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  14. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Don't take my comment to mean that I support those asshats that took advantage. I am just saying that JK has to expect that kind of thing with their system.
     
  15. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Yeah I totally agree. I am fine with the brewery only releases and I know 3000 bottles isn't a lot, but it does seem to me that jerk offs are going to get their beers regardless, so a system like that is going to make things worse. There is a lot of merit to both sides of this argument and I certainly agree that brewers have the right to choose what they want to release and how they do it. I just think JK is taking it a little far, and it isn't working. By that same token, other breweries have sold out and gotten too big and are no longer really selling "craft" beer. I think it's all about finding that medium. Prairie is one of the best breweries in the world and I am just praying they don't move toward this system. I have been one of their biggest supporters since the beginning. I used to live about 45 minutes away and have spent literally 1000's of dollars on their great beers. Then I had to move for work and I can no longer access their stuff if they move toward a brewery only release system like JK and some others.
     
  16. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    I agree with you 100%. All I am saying is they have to expect that. The sad truth is there are a lot of assholes in this community that just want to post #dickswing haul pics. To me, it just seems like a system like JK exacerbates the problem. Let me reiterate I am not one of these douchebags that went through line multiple times. I got my 1 bottle and then drank a few on tap while I was there. I just noticed a lot of guys going through 2+ times.
     
  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Oh I agree the system is not perfect. The basic problem is that nobody yet has come up with a system that works better. There are other breweries doing the same type of thing and it works about the same for several of them. I'm also aware of several variations on the JK strategy and ultimately where it doesn't work its been the beer geeks gaming the system in some way or another.

    Edit: As a quick example, not too many years ago Russian River allowed Growler fills when they did their on site release of PtY which is a tap only beer. Until some guy took some friends where were not even beer drinkers to the brewery where they each got their allotment of growler fills. He then collected all the growlers in one place, since they were his, and came on here to show off a photo of the 20 growlers he'd gotten. Justified it by the fact he had trading partners and he was only keeping 4 of them...

    Needless to say RR now does not allow any growler fills of Pliny the Younger at their bar.
     
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  18. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Yeah it is just really disappointing. I drove 10 hours to Austin for the last release, and it just sucks to know that I went out of my way and followed the rules when so many others took advantage. I just hope someone figures out a better system soon so more people can enjoy their stuff. I am praying for a big bottle count on this year's batch of Atrial.
     
  19. BeerSamurai34

    BeerSamurai34 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Texas

    Yeah those guys are douchebags. I hate that crap. As much as I love trading, I hate that there are guys like that out there. I try my best to trade with like minded guys.
     
  20. supercodes

    supercodes Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2013 Maine

    My opinion is based on the motivations of the brewery's intentions. If you have a time sensitive, hop forward beer that requires consumption sooner rather than later, I can understand the motivations of a brewer for wanting to preserve the quality of the beverage, by maintaining control of every step of the process. However, I think some brewers enjoy the hype that comes with having specialized beer reserved for brewery only releases, and doesn't really require it. I think a brewer should do whatever they want, but when you begin to piss off the locals (a true micro-brewery's bread and butter clientele), because they can never get a piece of the hype because of all the out of towners, it can backfire in my opinion.
     
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