First brew day complete, and I have some questions.

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  1. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    So, my first ever brew day is done, and I think it went pretty well (no boilover!). No surprises, except that I missed the recipe's anticipated OG by .100! Came in at 1.150, and should have been 1.049. Any idea what I can expect?

    A summary of the recipe is below. The shop was out of the amber ale kit I wanted, so the service rep put one together for me while I waited. Discrepancies I noticed are noted where they occurred.

    American Amber Ale

    Batch & wort size - 5.00 gallons (however, later in the recipe, it instructed me to reach a final volume of 5.50 gallons by adding water; I barely reached 5.50 gallons)
    Anticipated OG - 1.049
    Yeast - Safale US-05 (1 pouch / dry / 11.5 grams)
    Efficiency - 75%

    7.00 LBS Alexander LME - Pale (however, the bottle of LME provided was labeled "Brewcraft Light Malt Extract [use 7lbs per 6 gallon brew]; again, my final volume was barely 5.50 gallons) / Potential 1.031
    0.75 LBS Crystal 40L / Potential 1.034
    0.75 LBS Crystal 80L / Potential 1.033
    0.50 LBS Carapils Dextrin Malt / Potential 1.033

    0.5 oz Nugget (pellet) 14% AA (pouch label said 15.5% AA) - 60 min
    0.5 oz Nugget (pellet) 14% AA (pouch label said 15.5% AA) - 10 min
    2 oz Palisades (pellet) 8.1 % AA (pouch label said 8.2% AA) - 0 min

    0.20 oz Irish moss - 15 min


    After fermentation has ceased (2-4 days), rack into secondary leaving all sediment behind.
    Allow beer to clear for typically 3-5 days. Rack again and stir in dissolved bottling sugar.
    Bottle and cap. Allow beer to age and carbonate for 2-4 weeks.


    Generated with ProMash Brewing Software

    I think my higher OG is due to using all 7lbs LME (as instructed in the recipe) in only a 5.50 gallon batch. Since I've seen several issues with the recipe already, how should I modify the primary and secondary fermentation times to compensate for my higher OG?

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    What was the pre-boil volume?
     
  3. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    2 gallons. Looked like I lost about 0.5 gallons during the boil.
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Did you take your reading when you had only 1.5 gallons? Your recipe is for 5 gallons, so after adding your top-off water is when you should take the OG reading. If you did tale the measurement when you had 5 gallons, then that difference is so great that is has to be an error in reading the scale on your hydrometer. There doesn't seem to be any other way this could happen.
     
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  5. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    I took the OG reading after topping up to 5.5 gallons. Drew a sample from the spigot into a sample cylinder and dropped in my hygrometer, which read 1.150 (+/- .002 as there was a lot of foam).
     
  6. MarriedAtGI

    MarriedAtGI Zealot (569) Feb 26, 2013 Illinois

    I suspect your wort was not thoroughly mixed with your top off water, and you got a lesser portion of top off water in your hydrometer sample.
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Either post #4 or #6 is right -- there is no way you could have made a mistake of this magnitude. I'm thinking #6 is right. The wort was not well mixed. The denser solution was at the bottom, and this is what came out of the spigot.

    Aside: the instrument used to check gravity is a hydrometer, not hygrometer. Hygrometer measures humidity in air. Hydrometer measures density of (typically) aqueous mixtures. Not a big deal -- we all make mistakes, with language, with brewing, etc.

    Aside 2: Welcome to homebrewing!
     
  8. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    This is probably not the best advice. Most homebrewers let the primary fermentation take at least two weeks. It is common to skip the secondary altogether. Here's an excellent read on what's going on in your bucket and how to manage the schedule:
    http://www.morebeer.com/articles/conditioning

    My other suggestion is to not be in a hurry to drink your beer. Don't be like a horny college student in a ***** house . . . rather, take your time and and allow the beer to reach its potential. Six weeks from brew date is a good time to open your first beer.
     
  9. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    This makes sense now that you mention it. I filled my primary via gravity from a second bucket's spigot, but didn't shake the primary a whole lot after filling. I was thinking about aeration, not thoroughly mixing the solution. Will mix more vigorously next time.

    I noticed my hydrometer v. hygrometer mistake late last night. I've used hygrometers for many years, as I greatly enjoy a good cigar. They're so close, I didn't recognize the spelling difference! Noted.
     
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  10. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    I was going to ask whether extending the primary fermentation is recommended, especially if my wort isn't mixed really well. I certainly won't mix it now, but can I expect the yeast to work the solution to a more homogeneous state over a longer primary?
     
  11. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It will mix and ferment without intervention.

    When brewing extract, your OG is pretty much always going to be within a reasonable range of the predicted OG, unless your total volume is off by more than a quart.

    Your hydrometer reading was incorrect.
     
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  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Difficult to know for sure, but my guess is yes. The extended time in the primary is really to allow the yeast to reduce the unfavorable by-products (acetaldehyde, diacetyl, fusel alcohols, etc) of fermentation. Racking off your yeast too quickly may leave these nasties behind. If you have temp control, after 4-5 days you may want to raise your wort/beer temp a couple of degrees. This keeps the yeast in the ballgame to clean up what they left behind. If you read and understand the linked article you'll be way ahead of the game.

    Remember, you are not going to be drinking this beer for six weeks, so rushing is almost never called for. The real beauty of homebrewing is having a pipeline in place: one day to brew, while bottling another batch, while still another batch is being chilled to drink.
     
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  13. kirkcreelman

    kirkcreelman Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2015 Canada (ON)

    I would say no worries at all. As soon as fermentation gets going the turnover circulation gets very high. It should be fully mixed in 24-36 hrs so. Take a new reading as soon as your out of the lag and fermentation starts rolling. You will likely find your Gravity is right back down where you should be. Can you monitor your C02 production ( airlock) or are you open fermenting the primary?
    The only other problem I see is that if your yeast pitch also got down to the unmixed high gravity area it could be killed by the super high sugar content. It would certainly could do no harm in giving it a really good stir, take a new reading and make sure everything is back on track.
     
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  14. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    I sealed my primary bucket at around 4 PM yesterday. This morning at around 8 AM, I observed about 110-120 bubbles per minute at the airlock, so things look good so far.
     
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  15. kirkcreelman

    kirkcreelman Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2015 Canada (ON)

    Perfect! Sounds like all is well and your off to a great first start .
     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    One of the nice things about fermenting in a carboy is that you get to see how much those yeasties will churn your wort while they are having dinner. It looks like a blender gone crazy.
     
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  17. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Based on Beersmith:
    7# LME for a 1.75G batch-size ==> 1.150
    7# LME for a 5.50G batch-size ==> 1.048
     
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  18. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    As suggested in other comments above, I think I failed to mix the top-up water with the wort enough.
     
  19. RidgeMan223

    RidgeMan223 Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2015 California

    I've been tracking the temperature in my "fermentation chamber" (closet) twice a day since brew day. The average temp is 73.3˚F. There have been two days where the temperature had dropped/risen by 2˚ in a 13 hour period (never exceeding 74˚ or dropping below 72˚). The usual swing is +/-1˚ over 12-13 hours. All the reading I've done seems to say fermentation temperature needs to remain constant, but just how constant? Literally, or is within a few ˚+/- acceptable?
     
  20. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Yes, the yeast seem to do better at the proper constant temp. With a ferm fridge you are shooting to keep the swing less than 1°, this is approaching the accuracy of the thermo, but it's the goal.

    A bigger problem is fermentation is an exothermic reaction, i.e. it produces heat. Yep, your primary is a mini space heater and the temp will rise with the degree of fermentation taking place. See the linked article on Conditioning - Temp Factors. Routinely I see a 4 - 6° rise in wort temp over ambient air temp. This of course drops off as fermentation slows down.

    So if your ambient is 73 the wort probably touched the upper 70s . . . this is high enough it may cause problems. US-05 is a workhorse, lots of brewers use it and it can give excellent results. Here are your ideal temps from Fermentis:
    http://www.fermentis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SFA_US05.pdf
    The mfg recommends 59-71 as the ideal range, you'll find many brewers post here they shoot for the middle of this range (64-65). Remember, this is temp of wort (not the surrounding air). These mid-60s temps seem to eliminate the nasty by-products discussed in the Conditioning article. Ironically, letting the temp rise for conditioning helps reduce those problems so don't attempt to lower into the mid-60s now.

    You can search this forum for some good ideas on temp control and measuring wort temp. A themo taped to your primary covered in insulation will approximate your wort temp, a thermowell is even better. Some combination of ice baths or evaporative coolers are a po-man's approach to temp control. A dedicated ferm fridge (or two) will solve the problem.
     
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