Bottle Logic's Fundamental Observation

Some pretty ignorant comments going on. Don't you see that you are shooting yourself in the foot? Trying to "preserve" trade value? Good beers don't need ambassadors to dictate what you should and shouldn't trade for. Like I said, if it's good, east coasters will seek it out and then you can "hold it hostage" for SR71. Otherwise, you make yourself seem like a hypocrite who is artificially inflating the perceived trade value.

 

Guess we're past this point if you have to simplify it for me so much to allow me to comprehend how you want to make a profit from beer.

How about this, it's fucking beer. You want a return on your investment? Check out stocks and bonds or an annuity. Beer is for consumption as a hobby. Oh, I wasn't paying attention to KBBS because I'm not buying beer as a means for a 401k or to flip for a profit. Mainly I buy what I will consume or share with others.

And further more, those East coast beers get that hype and that hard to come by in trades worth because of the previous stated, it's tough to get them out of the hands of those who bought it. But hey, you just want to have an eye for an eye and let them have a taste of their own medicine... Which will in turn eventually come back and fuck up the beer scene in another way. Why the hell is every one trying to win a trade. That's a huge turn off to this hobby and makes me dislike the way it has been going lately.

Buy what you're going to consume and stop buying shit for the fodder of potentially landing some thing that isn't worth the fedex shipping cost compared to what you had in your hand before shipping it off.

So many lateral moves in the trade world these days. I want to say it's New Money's fault, but nah, it's all those who grew up with this Gotta-catch-em-all (tick-em-all) mentality and just passed that addiction to beer. As if trying everything will somehow level you up to some uber beer nerd.

Buy what you'll consume and leave the rest for others to buy for their own consumption. When we fight for bottles simply because we can totes sell them for mad money, then it just makes the scene just that much worse.

Oh, please point to where I pulled this trade. thanks.

 

Just want to clarify that i am willing to deal my beers for fair value. I am not hoarding anything. I traded for a bavss, backyard and things of that nature. Other than that I completely agree with what you said

 

And yet you're all about making this the beacon shiny example on how you're going to take back the night ruled by East Coast high trade valued beers with the power of this unknown (did they even go to GABF last year?) and unproven brewery and their tasty brew, all because... you can.

Did you do the same for Darkstar? Tasty as well, but still sitting on shelf cause it lacked that adjunct bump.

You know how I dodge all those trade ***** beers? I simply don't give a shit to tick them all. If I come across them, cool. But I'm not going to give up the world on their demands and then bitch about the choices I made on my own to tick something. So there's never any hurt feelings and resentment towards East Coasters or those who try to win those trades.

 

Once again you are over exaggerating. I simply want fair value for my beer, nothing more. Nobody is investing in beer so calm down Jim Cramer. Also I left work early just to get there on time so, no I don't feel bad that others missed out because I was actually there the whole time and saw people bitch when they arrived at 5pm. Also blame the brewery for the limits. Why the fuck would i buy less? So people like you could trade it for some jai alai like that guy earlier. I didn't complain when i missed out on bpt for kiwi, bavss, etc. I knew what I had to do to get this and made it happen. The 2:1 is a joke. Do I need to explain that to you also?

 

I wonder if they are already brewing batch 2 of Fundamental Argumentation

 

Simply stating look at Bruery beers. Why do they have such shit value now? Cause CA traders don't stick to their guns

 

@Earlycsquid did you get any FO?

 

Oh, I got a case of it during the dinner event. And 2 of those were given to a buddy the next day. 2 more were dropped off to some other fella I met at the HPB line for the week of releases and I fully plan on either consuming the rest alone or with friends.

But again, I had it for a week prior to its release and you didn't see me try to take back that trade power from those pesky east coasters by asking for 1:1 on rare shit that is above my give a shit pay grade.

 

Cali beers will always be worth less, even if they are better made, aged longer and held to a higher standard than all others. We have access to hundreds of breweries and dozens of releases a month. A guy next to Toppling Goliath has absolute jack to look forward to, so naturally KBBS is going to take a mountain of Cali beers. It may be meh, it may be the best beer ever brewed, either way the guy from Toppling Goliath has about 1-2 shots to try as many beers as they can with their limited offerings.

 

Isn't fair value of your beer basically the $19.50 you paid for it? You bring up black market shit or try to inflate the value. Yeah, yeah, supply/demand. But again, you're on a site that typically goes you paid X for this, the beer is worth X in trade value. Pointing out that on some overpriced after market website it goes for 10 times X means jack shit.

 

Bruery beers don't trade well because of unknown bottle counts, plus humongous allocations for all the weekday variants.

The hoarder beers actually trade fairly well (port and Madeira BT, Blue BBLs, etc) but case in point, the Bruerys best of the best are only exclusive for so long. They begin making more of the experimental stuff because people want to buy more of it. The Bruery doesn't need trade hype to be successful. They are successful because they put out a lot of different stuff that tastes good.

 

To add to that, Cali beers trade for shit, specifically Bruery beers, because so much of it is produced and is easily accessible by anyone in the country with a membership cost and a thank you box to a local person to pick it up and ship it to them. Notice that HS limited/smaller batch stuff is still highly valued in the trade market. But do you honestly expect Black Tuesday to trade for much when the numbers of bottles produced is way high and the price is equally as high. So it makes trading $4$ so difficult.

But hey, show me where I devalued Bruery stuff. I'm still waiting.

 

One of two things will happen with FO

1. People will taste it (even after low ball trades, or lopsided trades), think its really good and actually keep the rest because they want to drink it, thus upping trade value. Word of mouth will spread at bottle shares "that was really good, I need to trade for more"

2. People will taste it, think its subpar, then try to post a bunch of FT, thus lowering trade value. Overhyping will be spread word of mouth. Loss of credibility . "Pappy Board Meeting"

 

Means jack to you. I will not continue to get the shaft because I live in LA and people hate us cause our weather. Again not about winning, not about investing, not about anything you mentioned. Just really simply I want value for my beer.

Oh and really you got a case. Why not let all those lonely people that didn't get a fundamental observation get a chance. Wow argument over. A freaking case and you are complaining that I am not letting people try it hahaha wow

 

Hey, if you see Darkstar sitting on a shelf somewhere, please let me know. I'd like some... to actually drink. I love that beer. I've been looking for some for months.

 

I personally haven't seen it around anywhere at all. Wish I could get my hands on more.

 

^You know, Mr. K's probably still has some, even after folks lined up for FO yesterday and totally ignored that past release.

Um. I did. I gave 4 of them to buddies and all throughout the week leading up to it I asked friends "Hey, I can buy unlimited amounts, anyone want me to get it for them?" And I heard crickets aside from a few who wanted and I did. sooooo... I am giving those who didn't get a chance to get it, get it... Hell, 2 more are going to a buddy on Monday when I see them...

OR DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU VIA A PUPPET SHOW FOR YOUR LOWLY FEEBLE MIND TO UNDERSTAND THAT?!!?

you know, not making it personal or anything. But again, show me where I devalue Bruery beers again, because "people like me" do what now? Show me where I devalued Bruery beers. Come on, stop avoid it.

ARGUMENT DONE, DROP MIC, BACK FLIP OUT OF CONVERSATION. BOOOM CHA-KA-LAKA!

 

It's not shit value when you actually drink them instead of viewing them as a commodity to "win" your trade with whatever perceived value is in your head. Traders sticking to the guns is what has make the initial reviews so unreliable these days. Everyone ramping up the next big release because they want to maximize value instead of just sharing beer.

You seem to read things in everyone's comments that aren't actually there. I never called you an awful person. I'm sure you're a completely likable guy. Just not one that I'd enjoy trading with. I can tell that it's important for you to win this debate, just as it's important for you to win your trades. That's fine. You win.

To answer your last question, I'm not happy when any region overvalues their beer. It's even worse when it spreads and everyone thinks the release they just got entitles them to 5x the value of what they paid for it. I've been really fortunate that I developed really great regular trading partners who shared the same ideology of sharing great beer with those that appreciate it. They don't **** me on trades and I don't **** them. Of course, it's not fool proof. There are some high-trading beers that I don't have access through a trading partner. Similar to @Earlycsquid, I simply won't trade for those. I'll try them at a bottle share or (gasp!) I simply won't try them at all. And I'll live and still have a smile on my face.

 

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