Why are Belgian beers so expensive?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by torr99, Jul 16, 2015.

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  1. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

  2. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    Yes, as everyone says—import fees. And as MikeReserva points out, American beers are expensive in other countries.

    ~$3.50 / bottle for Brooklyn Lager in China.

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  3. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    Try to find the same styles brewed as well in the US (good luck!) and report back on the pricing.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And this is why the beer industry can charge so much for these types of beers: folks are willing to pay $20+ per 4-pack for them.

    Well other folks are willing to pay this price; I'm not.

    Cheers!
     
  5. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    It's a combination of import costs and the fact that these aren't cheap styles to brew in the first place. The American versions are still over $10 a four pack.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The North American breweries price their beers to 'match' the market for Trappist-style beers. Breweries like Unibroue. Allagash, Ommegang, Boulevard, etc. fully know what the Belgian imports are being priced at and they price their beers accordingly. If the Belgian imports were priced more commensurately to how they are priced in Europe you could be rest assured that the US versions would be priced a bit less than they are.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    Fair enough, but quads are more expensive to brew than most styles. I think even if the real Belgians were priced lower we still would see the American versions priced around the same price point as imperial stouts.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I homebrew my own quads and there is no doubt that there are incremental costs associated with brewing this style of beer: more malt, more sugars (Belgian candi sugar/syrup) and some additional process time. You can be rest assured that the expense of brewing is not the reason for the prices of these types of beer in the US.

    In Europe (Belgium, Netherlands, etc.) the price of a beer like a Quad is a bit more than beer such as a Eurolager. Only in the US are outrageous prices associated with these sorts of beer. People are willing to pay those prices so it could be argued it would be stupid of the importing companies and craft breweries to not price accordingly.

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  9. Tsar_Riga

    Tsar_Riga Grand Pooh-Bah (3,349) Sep 9, 2013 Minnesota
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    Demand.

    There are costs (importing, taxes), but if the beers in question can and are being sold at $7 or so a 4-pack in Europe, it is not the cost of brewing them that is making this happen, and other countries (Germany, in particular) put beers into U.S. stores without the same mark-up, so importing and taxes don't tell the full tale, either.

    People wanting to buy Chimay and other Belgians are willing to pay for it. They also buy bombers at similar price points, so pricing 4-packs for less could cannibalize bomber sales.

    All one has to do is look at the wine market to understand how powerful prestige is in the pricing of products. Anyone spending more than $20-30 for a bottle is not getting radically better wine, and most are not sophisticated enough to tell the incremental difference, but they are exhibiting wealth, power, privilege.

    I am frankly surprised at how little of this kind of posturing is present in the beer world, considering, but the price of Belgians does seem to be a place where there is a hint of it.
     
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  10. moshea

    moshea Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2007 Michigan

    People say the same thing about Stone

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  11. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,116) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    Belgian beers may seem expensive but so does $8 for a 12oz Prairie Bomb or $17 for a 375ml Side Project bottle. Don't get me wrong, I bitch about prices sometimes but when it comes down to it, if you wanna play you're gonna pay
     
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  12. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Except Stone's beers are not even close in taste and quality to those Belgians. Stone is way over-hyped.

    And to answer OP's question. High quality products are pricey.
     
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  13. DrinktotheDead

    DrinktotheDead Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2014 Michigan

    I thought it was cause the Shelton brothers...
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My version of what @WckdVbz posted:

    “High quality products can be priced higher.”

    Cheers!
     
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  15. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    Not strictly the style we are talking about, but I decided to indulge in some Flemish red ales recently...

    Rodenbach Grand Cru - $12.00 for a 750ml
    Duchesse de Bourgogne - $14 for a 750
    Bacchus - $9.00 for a 375
    Jacobins Rouge - $8.00 for a 375

    Compare the US version:

    Lost Abbey Red Poppy - $16 for a 375 ml
    Bruery Oude Tart - $25 for a 750
    Cascade Kriek - $30 for a 750

    Why are the US versions more expensive? Because "craft"?
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Apparently US consumers are willing to pay wicked high prices for these sour beers?

    The only one of the US beers you listed that I drank was Red Poppy on draft. I had that beer once and that is enough for me but I should caveat that I am personally not a big fan of beers that are prominently sour.

    Cheers!
     
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  17. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    What about all the other imported beer? There are plenty of German beers that are reasonably priced
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is indeed the case. Needless to say but German beers are not Trappist/Abbey type beers.

    Cheers!
     
  19. jcos

    jcos Pundit (802) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    Beer does not travel for free. Do you?
     
  20. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    When it comes to the trappist/abbey styles I don't find the domestic brewers are charging anywhere near as much as imports.

    Part of the price on the imports is the cost of importing but part of it is also the cost of hype. Belgian beer was considered the height of exotic beer flavors for some time and that drove up what the importers could charge. Consumers agreed to pay a premium for these beers and as the price of other beers rose so too did the price point on these beers.
     
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